suhuasky 发表于 2012-12-1 00:40

彗星快讯-SWAN

本帖最后由 suhuasky 于 2012-12-1 01:27 编辑

Sungrazing Comets: Details still sketchy RE the new SWAN comet. Perihelion could be as soon as next week. It's not a "big" comet tho so don't get overexcited!
Sungrazing Comets: I just got word that a new comet has been found in the SOHO/SWAN data. It has been confirmed by ground observations but awaits orbit calc.
SWAN12B QC2012 11 30.42108 19 15 26.18 -28 28 19.6          10.9 R NEOCPE12
   SWAN12B QC2012 11 30.42221 19 15 26.12 -28 28 16.7          10.9 R NEOCPE12
   SWAN12B QC2012 11 30.42410 19 15 25.99 -28 28 10.5          10.9 R NEOCPE12
   SWAN12B QC2012 11 30.42604 19 15 25.88 -28 28 05.0          10.8 R NEOCPE12
   SWAN12B QC2012 11 30.43043 19 15 25.67 -28 27 52.9          10.9 R NEOCPE12
Nov 30 2012 10:57:33 Mr Sungrazer
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Dear All,

I received a message yesterday from Rob Matson that he's found a new comet in the
SOHO/SWAN data, and it seems that at least a couple of other astronomers have taken
confirmation images of it. I suspect it will be announced at some point today.

Rob mentioned that there's the possibility of it being visible in LASCO C3, perhaps as
soon as this weekend. Of course, it's very uncertain as we don't have an orbit for it and
we don't know if it will be bright enough. But please consider this a heads-up that if a
non-group comet turns up in C3 in the next few days, it could be this one.

I'll give you more information once I know it.

Regards,
Karl
http://tp4.sinaimg.cn/2395463071/50/22827208580/1
星空下的Cwalker
美国人Rob Matson于世界时11月29日在SOHO SWAN图上发现一颗非族彗星,亮度11等左右,随后均被E27和E12拍到。@CNSOHO 苏华早在11月17日就注意到了此目标,但当时误将该目标认为是C/2011 R1而错失发现。至于该彗星能否出现在LASCO C3图上还是个未知数,因为目前还没有精确的轨道,无法得知它未来的亮度。


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SWAN上的彗星 11月10日的图片可以清楚看到2011L4和2011R1,预报2011R1今年10月过近日点,亮度预报12.1等,但是SWAN上显示大大亮于预报,是爆发吗?看了MPEC没有地面的观测。
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11月17日 13:49来自新浪微博





我在SWAN上看到两颗彗星了
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PANSTARRS ISON苏华(18781574) 13:38:17
file:///D:/My%20Documents/Tencent%20Files/18781574/Image/bo6_wqg0lcpuj0yny7pv))i.jpg
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PANSTARRS ISON苏华(18781574) 13:44:05
2011R1爆发了吗?
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PANSTARRS ISON苏华(18781574) 13:44:20
预报12等,10月过近日点的
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老孙(36723571) 13:51:15
也差不太多

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老孙(36723571) 13:51:40
感觉比预报亮1-2等吧,swan,LM多少
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PANSTARRS ISON苏华(18781574) 13:51:44
12等基本上是SWAN的极限
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PANSTARRS ISON苏华(18781574) 13:51:52
应该没这么亮
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老孙(36723571) 13:52:01
那应该有10等左右
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PANSTARRS ISON苏华(18781574) 13:52:13

至少这么亮
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PANSTARRS ISON苏华(18781574) 13:52:26
9-10等



苍穹旋律 发表于 2012-12-1 00:42

本帖最后由 苍穹旋律 于 2012-12-1 10:25 编辑

仔细整理了一下目前已经得到的资料。

美国人Rob Matson于世界时11月29日在SOHO SWAN图上发现一颗非族彗星,彗星亮度11等左右,随后均被E27和E12在地面上拍到。我国天文爱好者苏华早在11月17日就在SWAN图上注意到了此目标,但当时误将该目标认为是C/2011 R1而错失发现。至于该彗星能否出现在SOHO LASCO C3图上还是个未知数,因为目前还没有精确的轨道,故无法得知它未来的亮度。

BAA:
Nov 29Rob Matson discovers a comet in SWAN imagery.

Twitter:
Sungrazing Comets: I just got word that a new comet has been found in the SOHO/SWAN data. It has been confirmed by ground observations but awaits orbit calc.
Sungrazing Comets: Details still sketchy RE the new SWAN comet. Perihelion could be as soon as next week. It's not a "big" comet tho so don't get overexcited!

Nov 30 2012 10:57:33 Mr Sungrazer
Dear All,
I received a message yesterday from Rob Matson that he's found a new comet in the SOHO/SWAN data, and it seems that at least a couple of other astronomers have taken confirmation images of it. I suspect it will be announced at some point today.
Rob mentioned that there's the possibility of it being visible in LASCO C3, perhaps as soon as this weekend. Of course, it's very uncertain as we don't have an orbit for it and we don't know if it will be bright enough. But please consider this a heads-up that if a non-group comet turns up in C3 in the next few days, it could be this one.
I'll give you more information once I know it.
Regards,
Karl

NEOCP:



SWAN12BC2012 11 29.39934 19 16 21.76 -29 16 55.3          11.5 R NEOCPE27
SWAN12BC2012 11 29.42881 19 16 20.04 -29 15 26.2          11.6 R NEOCPE27
SWAN12BC2012 11 30.38652 19 15 28.09 -28 29 57.2          11.6 R NEOCPE27
SWAN12BC2012 11 30.38694 19 15 28.07 -28 29 56.3          11.5 R NEOCPE27
SWAN12BC2012 11 30.39175 19 15 27.83 -28 29 41.8          11.8 R NEOCPE27
SWAN12BC2012 11 30.40102 19 15 27.28 -28 29 16.2          11.6 R NEOCPE27
SWAN12BC2012 11 30.41491 19 15 26.56 -28 28 36.5          11.7 R NEOCPE27
SWAN12BC2012 11 30.41944 19 15 26.33 -28 28 24.3          11.7 R NEOCPE27
SWAN12B QC2012 11 30.42108 19 15 26.18 -28 28 19.6          10.9 R NEOCPE12
SWAN12B QC2012 11 30.42221 19 15 26.12 -28 28 16.7          10.9 R NEOCPE12
SWAN12B QC2012 11 30.42410 19 15 25.99 -28 28 10.5          10.9 R NEOCPE12
SWAN12B QC2012 11 30.42604 19 15 25.88 -28 28 05.0          10.8 R NEOCPE12
SWAN12B QC2012 11 30.43043 19 15 25.67 -28 27 52.9          10.9 R NEOCPE12
SWAN12BC2012 11 30.98810 19 14 56.02 -28 01 55.0          11.9 V NEOCPI39
SWAN12BC2012 11 30.99585 19 14 55.58 -28 01 32.8          11.9 V NEOCPI39
SWAN12B KC2012 12 01.00076 19 14 55.40 -28 01 26.5          13.8 R NEOCPH47
SWAN12B KC2012 12 01.00172 19 14 55.36 -28 01 23.1          13.9 R NEOCPH47
SWAN12B KC2012 12 01.00267 19 14 55.33 -28 01 21.2          13.7 R NEOCPH47
SWAN12BC2012 12 01.00517 19 14 55.19 -28 01 14.0          13.6 R NEOCPH47
SWAN12BC2012 12 01.00593 19 14 55.08 -28 01 04.8          11.9 V NEOCPI39
SWAN12BC2012 12 01.01839 19 14 54.40 -28 00 30.0          11.9 V NEOCPI39

Date       UT      R.A. (J2000) Decl.Elong.V      Motion
            h                                        "/min   P.A.
2012 12 01 01   19 14 53.6 -27 59 2937.812.2    1.98345.8
2012 12 01 02   19 14 51.4 -27 57 3337.812.2    1.98345.8
2012 12 01 03   19 14 49.2 -27 55 3837.712.2    1.98345.8
2012 12 01 04   19 14 47.0 -27 53 4337.712.2    1.98345.8
2012 12 01 05   19 14 44.8 -27 51 4837.612.2    1.98345.8
2012 12 01 06   19 14 42.6 -27 49 5337.612.2    1.97345.8
2012 12 01 07   19 14 40.4 -27 47 5837.512.2    1.97345.8
2012 12 01 08   19 14 38.2 -27 46 0337.512.2    1.97345.8
2012 12 01 09   19 14 36.0 -27 44 0937.412.2    1.97345.8
2012 12 01 10   19 14 33.8 -27 42 1437.412.2    1.97345.8
2012 12 01 11   19 14 31.6 -27 40 2037.312.2    1.96345.8
2012 12 01 12   19 14 29.5 -27 38 2637.312.2    1.96345.8
2012 12 01 13   19 14 27.3 -27 36 3237.212.2    1.96345.8
2012 12 01 14   19 14 25.1 -27 34 3837.212.2    1.96345.7
2012 12 01 15   19 14 22.9 -27 32 4437.212.2    1.96345.7
2012 12 01 16   19 14 20.7 -27 30 5037.112.2    1.96345.7
2012 12 01 17   19 14 18.6 -27 28 5637.112.2    1.95345.7
2012 12 01 18   19 14 16.4 -27 27 0337.012.2    1.95345.7
2012 12 01 19   19 14 14.2 -27 25 0937.012.2    1.95345.7
2012 12 01 20   19 14 12.1 -27 23 1636.912.2    1.95345.7
2012 12 01 21   19 14 09.9 -27 21 2336.912.2    1.95345.7
2012 12 01 22   19 14 07.7 -27 19 3036.812.2    1.94345.7
2012 12 01 23   19 14 05.6 -27 17 3736.812.2    1.94345.7
2012 12 02 00   19 14 03.4 -27 15 4436.712.2    1.94345.7
2012 12 02 01   19 14 01.3 -27 13 5136.712.2    1.94345.7

suhuasky 发表于 2012-12-1 02:10

本帖最后由 suhuasky 于 2012-12-1 02:16 编辑

我发现我犯了个严重的错误:

彗星应该这么飞的



就因为疏忽,把SWAN上的270度黄经看成了225度(每根线代表45度),这样推导出是R1,其实目标并不在那个地方,而是在黄经280度附近,这里根本没有已知彗星,坐标系看错位了,完全可当新彗星上报。

shiney_xie 发表于 2012-12-1 08:14

6699cn 发表于 2012-12-1 08:40

可惜呀::070821_12.jpg::

苍穹旋律 发表于 2012-12-1 10:27

suhuasky 发表于 2012-12-1 02:10 static/image/common/back.gif
我发现我犯了个严重的错误:

彗星应该这么飞的


这也太悲剧了吧!

suhuasky 发表于 2012-12-1 10:31

本帖最后由 suhuasky 于 2012-12-1 10:42 编辑

Object   H   G    Epoch    M         Peri.      Node       Incl.      e         n         a                     NObs NOpp   Arc    r.m.s.       Orbit IDSWAN12B 10.10.15K12BT 359.69838   20.75069320.75072136.718070.95198750.0144412316.7006454               21   1    2 days 0.54         NEOCPNomin用SKYMAP模拟了下,彗星大致在12月20-21日左右0.8AU经过近日点,而倒退到11月10日,彗星模拟位置位于黄经290度,黄纬-29度,接近SWAN11月10日照片的位置(轨道根数粗略,所以有一点误差)

suhuasky 发表于 2012-12-1 10:36

模拟的星历表
Ephemeris of comet swan
日期时间Top R.A.Top DecR (AU)距离El ? Mag
01 十二月 201200:00:0019h 18m 24.0s-28°41' 24"0.88291.402738.711.2
02 十二月 201200:00:0019h 17m 30.0s-27°55' 04"0.87541.420537.511.2
03 十二月 201200:00:0019h 16m 37.1s-27°09' 51"0.86821.438136.311.2
04 十二月 201200:00:0019h 15m 45.4s-26°25' 42"0.86141.455435.111.2
05 十二月 201200:00:0019h 14m 54.5s-25°42' 34"0.85481.472433.911.2
06 十二月 201200:00:0019h 14m 04.5s-25°00' 24"0.84861.489132.811.2
07 十二月 201200:00:0019h 13m 15.3s-24°19' 09"0.84271.505431.611.2
08 十二月 201200:00:0019h 12m 26.6s-23°38' 47"0.83721.521430.411.1
09 十二月 201200:00:0019h 11m 38.5s-22°59' 14"0.83211.537029.311.1
10 十二月 201200:00:0019h 10m 50.9s-22°20' 29"0.82731.552228.211.1
11 十二月 201200:00:0019h 10m 03.8s-21°42' 29"0.82291.567027.111.1
12 十二月 201200:00:0019h 09m 17.0s-21°05' 12"0.81891.581326.011.1
13 十二月 201200:00:0019h 08m 30.5s-20°28' 36"0.81531.595224.911.1
14 十二月 201200:00:0019h 07m 44.4s-19°52' 39"0.81211.608623.811.1
15 十二月 201200:00:0019h 06m 58.4s-19°17' 19"0.80941.621622.811.1
16 十二月 201200:00:0019h 06m 12.7s-18°42' 35"0.80701.634021.811.1
17 十二月 201200:00:0019h 05m 27.2s-18°08' 23"0.80511.646020.811.1
18 十二月 201200:00:0019h 04m 41.9s-17°34' 44"0.80361.657419.811.2
19 十二月 201200:00:0019h 03m 56.8s-17°01' 34"0.80261.668318.811.2
20 十二月 201200:00:0019h 03m 11.8s-16°28' 53"0.80201.678617.911.2
21 十二月 201200:00:0019h 02m 26.9s-15°56' 39"0.80181.688417.111.2
22 十二月 201200:00:0019h 01m 42.3s-15°24' 51"0.80211.697616.311.2
23 十二月 201200:00:0019h 00m 57.8s-14°53' 26"0.80281.706315.511.2
24 十二月 201200:00:0019h 00m 13.4s-14°22' 25"0.80391.714414.811.2
25 十二月 201200:00:0018h 59m 29.3s-13°51' 44"0.80551.721914.211.2
26 十二月 201200:00:0018h 58m 45.3s-13°21' 24"0.80751.728813.711.3
27 十二月 201200:00:0018h 58m 01.6s-12°51' 22"0.80991.735213.211.3
28 十二月 201200:00:0018h 57m 18.0s-12°21' 38"0.81281.740912.911.3
29 十二月 201200:00:0018h 56m 34.7s-11°52' 10"0.81601.746112.711.3
30 十二月 201200:00:0018h 55m 51.6s-11°22' 57"0.81971.750712.611.4
31 十二月 201200:00:0018h 55m 08.7s-10°53' 57"0.82381.754812.611.4
01 一月 201300:00:0018h 54m 26.0s-10°25' 10"0.82821.758212.811.4
02 一月 201300:00:0018h 53m 43.6s-09°56' 34"0.83311.761113.011.4
03 一月 201300:00:0018h 53m 01.4s-09°28' 08"0.83831.763413.411.5
04 一月 201300:00:0018h 52m 19.4s-08°59' 50"0.84391.765113.811.5
05 一月 201300:00:0018h 51m 37.6s-08°31' 40"0.84981.766314.411.5
06 一月 201300:00:0018h 50m 56.1s-08°03' 36"0.85611.766915.011.6
07 一月 201300:00:0018h 50m 14.8s-07°35' 37"0.86271.767015.711.6
08 一月 201300:00:0018h 49m 33.7s-07°07' 42"0.86971.766516.511.6
09 一月 201300:00:0018h 48m 52.8s-06°39' 49"0.87691.765617.311.7
10 一月 201300:00:0018h 48m 12.0s-06°11' 58"0.88451.764018.211.7
11 一月 201300:00:0018h 47m 31.4s-05°44' 06"0.89231.762019.111.7
12 一月 201300:00:0018h 46m 50.8s-05°16' 14"0.90051.759420.011.8
13 一月 201300:00:0018h 46m 10.3s-04°48' 19"0.90891.756421.011.8
14 一月 201300:00:0018h 45m 29.9s-04°20' 20"0.91751.752921.911.8
15 一月 201300:00:0018h 44m 49.4s-03°52' 17"0.92641.748923.011.9
16 一月 201300:00:0018h 44m 08.9s-03°24' 07"0.93561.744424.011.9
17 一月 201300:00:0018h 43m 28.3s-02°55' 50"0.94491.739525.012.0
18 一月 201300:00:0018h 42m 47.5s-02°27' 24"0.95451.734126.112.0
19 一月 201300:00:0018h 42m 06.6s-01°58' 48"0.96431.728327.212.0

suhuasky 发表于 2012-12-1 14:14

許文韜测量的SWAN坐标:

suhuasky 发表于 2012-12-1 15:46

本帖最后由 suhuasky 于 2012-12-1 22:20 编辑

是丢失的周期彗星?
New SWAN comet = D/Pons-Gambart
Posted By: maiki666
Sat Dec 1, 2012 6:49 am|
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Hello all,
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SWAN12B
Perihelion 2012 Dec 18.643582 TT; Constraint: e=1
Epoch 2012 Nov 30.0 TT = JDT 2456261.5 Earth MOID: 0.1681 Ne: 0.2845
M 359.99999 (2000.0) P Q
n 0.00000000 Peri. 18.11233 0.58503995 -0.68187281
a <HUGE> Node 320.17748 -0.80270792 -0.56409560
e 0.9999999 Incl. 136.71738 -0.11570754 0.46566685
P!!!!!!! H 10.1 G 0.15 q 0.81972267 Q <HUGE>
From 21 observations 2012 Nov. 29-Dec. 1 (38.9 hr); mean residual 0".556.

D/1827 M1 (Pons-Gambart)
Orbital elements based on the assumed identity with 1110 K1 by
Hasegawa & Nakano (PASJ, 47, 699-710, 1995).
Epoch 2022-01-21
T = 2022-01-31.4 TT
2000.0
q=0.8052 AU peri= 19.4°
node= 320.4°
e=0.9505 incl= 136.4°


Orbital calculations were strictly parabolic in nature until 1917, when
Ogura found the observations were best represented by an elliptical
orbit. His own calculations revealed orbital periods of 46.0 and 63.8
years, with the latter being considered more likely.
Ogura 的观点这是一个椭圆轨道,他计算显示周期可能为46和63.8年,后者可能性更大。
D/1827 M1 (Pons-Gambart)
Discovery      This comet was discovered by Jean Louis Pons (Florence, Italy) and Adolphe Gambart (Marseilles, France) on 1827 June 21. Although no system was in place to estimate comet brightnesses at that time, various astronomers have since suggested the comet was then between magnitude 5 and 6.
发现
      这个彗星在1827年6月21日由意大利马赛的Jean Louis Pons 和法国的Adolphe Gambart 发现,虽然那时没有系统的测量亮度,但是一些专家估计亮度在5到6等之间。
Historical HighlightsFew physical descriptions were published for this comet. Pons was the most prolific observer, measuring three additional positions in June and a total of 17 in July. The comet attained its most northerly declination of +83° on June 26. J. E. B. Valz (Nîmes, France) saw the comet on the morning of July 5 and 6, and on the evening of July 6, with a nearly full moon in the sky. The comet attained its maximum observed elongation of 63° on July 7. The comet was last detected on July 21 by Pons. He said the comet was extremely faint. Pons added that the comet could not be observed thereafter because of its faintness and the fact that it had entered a region of the sky containing numerous nebulosities.
历史集锦
一些公布的信息描述了这颗彗星,Pons有很详细的观察,测量了6月3个和 7月17个位置,彗星6月26日到达赤纬最北端+ 83°,法国Nîmes的J. E. B. Valz 在7月5日和6日早上和7月6日晚上看到这颗彗星,7月6日晚几乎是满月。彗星7月7日到达63度的最大角距。Pons7月21日最后观测到这颗彗星,他说彗星非常暗弱,之后无法观测是因为彗星很模糊,并且进入了包含很多星云的天区。
A month of observations did not generate great interest in examining the orbit of this comet. It was not until 1828 that the first parabolic orbits appeared in the Astronomische Nachrichten. During March, Valz took positions spanning the entire period of visibility and determined the perihelion date as 1827 June 8.83. One month later, A. de Heiligenstein essentially used the same positions and determined a perihelion date of June 8.37. There was no further interest until the 20th century, when, during 1917, S. Ogura took 74 positions spanning the period of visibility, and found the orbit was distinctly elliptical. His best orbit had a perihelion date of June 7.69 and a period of 63.83 years, with a likely uncertainty in the period of +/-10 years. A second orbit with a period of 46.0 years was calculated, but it did not fit the positions as well. S. Nakano reinvestigated the orbit in 1978. He said the 1827 observations were best represented by an orbit with a perihelion date of June 7.64 and a period of 57.46 years, but suggested a probable error of +/-10 years. The comet was considered hopelessly lost. In 1979, I. Hasegawa introduced an interesting twist to the investigation of this orbit. He pointed out that S. Kanda had noted in 1972 that there was a "probable" link between comet Pons-Gambart and a comet seen in 1110. Hasegawa began examining the observations published in ancient Chinese and Korean texts and was able to derive three rough positions, with which he then calculated a parabolic orbit. He confirmed the resemblance to comet Pons-Gambart. Orbital calculations revealed the comet passed closest to the sun on June 8, 1827. Following the discovery it steadily faded. The comet was seen for the final time on July 21 by Pons. Astronomers have suggested the comet was probably then near magnitude 8. Orbital calculations were strictly parabolic in nature until 1917, when Ogura found the observations were best represented by an elliptical orbit. His own calculations revealed orbital periods of 46.0 and 63.8 years, with the latter being considered more likely.
一个月的观测资料对研究这颗彗星的轨道并没有产生很大的关注,直到1828年天文学会新闻才有一个抛物线轨道。3月期间,Valz获得整个可见期的位置,并确定近日点在1827年6月8.83,一个月后,A. de Heiligenstein适应类似的位置数据确定近日点在1827年6月8.37,直到二十世纪前没有更多的关注。1919年期间,S. Ogura搜集了可见期间74个位置数据,发现了冥想的椭圆形轨道。他的改进轨道显示近日点在6月7.69,而且周期为63.83,周期的不确定性有+/-10年。计算的另外一个轨道为周期46年,但并不是很吻合观测数据。S. Nakano9(中野) 在1978年重新复查这个轨道,他说1827年观测资料最好的轨道是近日点是6月7.64,周期57.46年,但指出了坑能的误差+/-10年,估计这彗星已经丢失。1979年,I. Hasegawa(长谷川)发表了对它的轨道一个有趣的转折性研究,他指出S. Kanda1972年已经注意到Pons-Gambart a和1110年观测到的彗星之间的关联。Hasegawa(长谷川)开始研究中国和韩国古代的观测记录文献并从中得到三个粗略位置,然后计算了一个抛物线轨道,他确定和Pons-Gambart彗星的相似,轨道计算显示彗星近日点在1827年6月8日,随后发现它之间暗淡。 Pons最后在7月21日看到这颗彗星,天文学家认为彗星大概接近8等。直到1917年轨道都是按抛物线计算的,Ogura发布找到最吻合观测资料的椭圆轨道观点,他的计算表明,轨道周期为46和63.8年,但后者被认为是最有可能的。

苍穹旋律 发表于 2012-12-1 15:59

I may add that the only uncertainty is the period. The initial period was in the
range of 46 to 64 years. So currently it is not clear how many perihelion
passages
we might have missed since 1827.

Cheers, Maik

suhuasky 发表于 2012-12-1 17:11

30 十一月 2012 18:18:44 SKYMAP赤经: 19h 15m 20.6s 赤纬: -28°18' 48"
观测SWAN12B QC2012 11 30.42108 19 15 26.18 -28 28 19.6 10.9 R 新轨道参数基本准确了       

苍穹旋律 发表于 2012-12-1 18:33

Hello Maik,

great news that this comet is finally back!

The period was given with 65.5 by Hasegawa & Nakano.
With the return now it would be around 62 years an we would have missed two
returns?

1827, 1889, 1951, 2013

Regards
Burkhard

hhbb 发表于 2012-12-1 19:40

楼主厉害!

suhuasky 发表于 2012-12-1 20:21

本帖最后由 suhuasky 于 2012-12-1 20:56 编辑

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suhuasky 发表于 2012-12-1 20:37

流星雨

  这一个不引人注意的流星群是加里·克罗(Gary Kronk)在检查泽内·瑟卡尼纳(Zdenek Sekanina)在20世纪60年代所观测到的39145颗无线电流星时发现的,8月2-27日一共出现了6颗群内,极大出现在8月12日,辐射点位于赤经49.6度,赤纬-4.9度。其母彗星应该是周期彗星庞斯-加姆巴特(1827 II Pons-Gambart),轨道很相似,但是近日距有差不多0.2AU的差异,轨道半长径的差异有3.5倍左右。
  有意思的是,虽然没有关于这群直接联系的目视数据,但美利坚流星协会却在其北部8-10度的地方观测到较强的活动。阿登(Dr.H.L.Alden)和麦克因特什(Ronald A.McIntosh)分别在1926年和1929年观测到活动,类似的还有因斯蒂图德(Franklin Institute)在1941年,沃里(Charles E.Worley)在1954年以及梅兹格(Eli Metzger)在1958年。卡侬·霍夫梅斯特(Cuno Hoffmeister)在1948年出版的《流星夜话》中列出了5406个辐射点,说他1937年在西南非洲也观测到类似的流星群。
  从上能得出的是,八月波江座流星雨非常古老,因此无线电群和目视群可能已经分成了两块。
  庞斯-加姆巴特彗星仅仅被观测了一个月,人们认为其周期是57.5年,但后来再也没发现过。1979年有人计算了一颗在1110年出现的彗星的轨道,并发现这可能就是庞斯-加姆巴特彗星的上一次回归,看来其周期可能是1000年左右。

suhuasky 发表于 2012-12-1 23:55

H47(美国)拍摄的SWAN12B

suhuasky 发表于 2012-12-2 10:23

D/1827 M1 (Pons-Gambart)
1827.43561643835616438356164383561644
SWAN12B
2012.96721311475409836065573770491802
按t+3回归计算,平均周期61.843865558799333333333333333333年

suhuasky 发表于 2012-12-2 10:50

本帖最后由 suhuasky 于 2012-12-2 11:05 编辑

上次回归近日点1951年2月14日
Ephemeris of comet swan
日期时间Top R.A.Top DecR (AU)距离El ? Mag
01 二月 195100:00:0021h 20m 49.6s-16°57' 39"0.84821.82375.511.6
02 二月 195100:00:0021h 19m 53.9s-16°26' 27"0.84301.82244.311.6
03 二月 195100:00:0021h 18m 58.2s-15°55' 12"0.83811.82053.211.5
04 二月 195100:00:0021h 18m 02.6s-15°23' 52"0.83371.81802.111.5
05 二月 195100:00:0021h 17m 07.1s-14°52' 25"0.82971.81501.411.5
06 二月 195100:00:0021h 16m 11.6s-14°20' 51"0.82601.81141.511.5
07 二月 195100:00:0021h 15m 16.2s-13°49' 09"0.82281.80732.311.4
08 二月 195100:00:0021h 14m 20.8s-13°17' 17"0.82001.80263.411.4
09 二月 195100:00:0021h 13m 25.4s-12°45' 15"0.81761.79744.511.4
10 二月 195100:00:0021h 12m 30.0s-12°13' 02"0.81561.79165.711.4
11 二月 195100:00:0021h 11m 34.6s-11°40' 35"0.81411.78526.911.4
12 二月 195100:00:0021h 10m 39.2s-11°07' 55"0.81301.77838.111.4
13 二月 195100:00:0021h 09m 43.8s-10°34' 59"0.81231.77089.311.3
14 二月 195100:00:0021h 08m 48.5s-10°01' 47"0.81211.762810.511.3
15 二月 195100:00:0021h 07m 53.1s-09°28' 18"0.81231.754211.711.3
16 二月 195100:00:0021h 06m 57.7s-08°54' 29"0.81301.745112.911.3
17 二月 195100:00:0021h 06m 02.3s-08°20' 20"0.81411.735514.111.3
18 二月 195100:00:0021h 05m 06.8s-07°45' 49"0.81561.725415.411.3
19 二月 195100:00:0021h 04m 11.3s-07°10' 54"0.81761.714716.611.3
20 二月 195100:00:0021h 03m 15.8s-06°35' 35"0.82001.703617.811.3
21 二月 195100:00:0021h 02m 20.2s-05°59' 49"0.82281.691919.011.3
22 二月 195100:00:0021h 01m 24.4s-05°23' 35"0.82601.679820.211.3
23 二月 195100:00:0021h 00m 28.6s-04°46' 51"0.82971.667221.511.3
24 二月 195100:00:0020h 59m 32.7s-04°09' 34"0.83371.654222.711.3
25 二月 195100:00:0020h 58m 36.6s-03°31' 44"0.83821.640823.911.3
26 二月 195100:00:0020h 57m 40.2s-02°53' 19"0.84301.626925.111.3
27 二月 195100:00:0020h 56m 43.7s-02°14' 15"0.84821.612726.411.3
28 二月 195100:00:0020h 55m 46.8s-01°34' 32"0.85381.598027.611.3
01 三月 195100:00:0020h 54m 49.6s-00°54' 06"0.85971.583028.811.3
02 三月 195100:00:0020h 53m 52.0s-00°12' 55"0.86601.567630.011.4
03 三月 195100:00:0020h 52m 53.9s+00°29' 03"0.87261.552031.311.4
04 三月 195100:00:0020h 51m 55.2s+01°11' 50"0.87951.536032.511.4
05 三月 195100:00:0020h 50m 55.8s+01°55' 29"0.88681.519733.711.4
06 三月 195100:00:0020h 49m 55.7s+02°40' 03"0.89441.503135.011.4
07 三月 195100:00:0020h 48m 54.7s+03°25' 36"0.90221.486336.211.4
08 三月 195100:00:0020h 47m 52.7s+04°12' 08"0.91041.469337.511.4
09 三月 195100:00:0020h 46m 49.7s+04°59' 45"0.91881.452138.711.4
10 三月 195100:00:0020h 45m 45.4s+05°48' 28"0.92751.434739.911.5
11 三月 195100:00:0020h 44m 39.7s+06°38' 22"0.93641.417141.211.5
12 三月 195100:00:0020h 43m 32.5s+07°29' 29"0.94561.399442.511.5
13 三月 195100:00:0020h 42m 23.6s+08°21' 53"0.95501.381743.711.5
14 三月 195100:00:0020h 41m 12.8s+09°15' 37"0.96471.363845.011.5
15 三月 195100:00:0020h 40m 00.0s+10°10' 46"0.97451.345946.311.5
16 三月 195100:00:0020h 38m 44.9s+11°07' 22"0.98461.327947.511.6
17 三月 195100:00:0020h 37m 27.2s+12°05' 29"0.99481.310048.811.6
18 三月 195100:00:0020h 36m 06.9s+13°05' 12"1.00521.292150.111.6
19 三月 195100:00:0020h 34m 43.5s+14°06' 34"1.01581.274351.411.6
20 三月 195100:00:0020h 33m 16.8s+15°09' 38"1.02661.256552.711.6
21 三月 195100:00:0020h 31m 46.5s+16°14' 29"1.03751.238954.011.6
22 三月 195100:00:0020h 30m 12.3s+17°21' 10"1.04861.221455.311.6
23 三月 195100:00:0020h 28m 33.7s+18°29' 44"1.05981.204256.611.7
24 三月 195100:00:0020h 26m 50.5s+19°40' 16"1.07121.187158.011.7
25 三月 195100:00:0020h 25m 02.0s+20°52' 47"1.08271.170359.311.7
26 三月 195100:00:0020h 23m 07.9s+22°07' 22"1.09431.153860.611.7
下次回归近日点下次回归2074年9月23日
Ephemeris of comet swan
日期时间Top R.A.Top DecR (AU)距离El ? Mag
01 九月 207400:00:0009h 45m 48.8s-50°49' 17"0.91320.245960.37.6
02 九月 207400:00:0010h 43m 17.0s-50°12' 02"0.90490.243058.27.5
03 九月 207400:00:0011h 37m 16.2s-47°52' 24"0.89700.246356.57.5
04 九月 207400:00:0012h 23m 02.9s-44°19' 01"0.88930.255555.57.5
05 九月 207400:00:0012h 59m 32.5s-40°10' 44"0.88190.270155.07.6
06 九月 207400:00:0013h 27m 55.2s-35°58' 48"0.87490.289355.07.7
07 九月 207400:00:0013h 49m 57.0s-32°01' 43"0.86810.312255.17.9
08 九月 207400:00:0014h 07m 12.8s-28°27' 34"0.86170.338055.48.0
09 九月 207400:00:0014h 20m 55.8s-25°18' 15"0.85570.366055.68.1
10 九月 207400:00:0014h 31m 59.3s-22°32' 29"0.85000.395955.88.3
11 九月 207400:00:0014h 41m 01.8s-20°07' 46"0.84470.427155.88.4
12 九月 207400:00:0014h 48m 30.9s-18°01' 17"0.83970.459455.88.6
13 九月 207400:00:0014h 54m 46.9s-16°10' 21"0.83510.492455.78.7
14 九月 207400:00:0015h 00m 04.8s-14°32' 37"0.83100.526155.68.8
15 九月 207400:00:0015h 04m 35.7s-13°06' 04"0.82720.560355.38.9
16 九月 207400:00:0015h 08m 28.3s-11°49' 01"0.82380.594755.09.0
17 九月 207400:00:0015h 11m 49.3s-10°40' 04"0.82090.629454.69.1
18 九月 207400:00:0015h 14m 43.9s-09°38' 02"0.81830.664354.29.2
19 九月 207400:00:0015h 17m 16.1s-08°41' 57"0.81620.699253.79.3
20 九月 207400:00:0015h 19m 29.5s-07°51' 01"0.81450.734253.19.4
21 九月 207400:00:0015h 21m 26.6s-07°04' 33"0.81330.769152.69.5
22 九月 207400:00:0015h 23m 09.7s-06°22' 00"0.81250.803952.09.6
23 九月 207400:00:0015h 24m 40.6s-05°42' 52"0.81210.838651.49.7
24 九月 207400:00:0015h 26m 01.0s-05°06' 46"0.81220.873150.79.8
25 九月 207400:00:0015h 27m 12.1s-04°33' 21"0.81270.907450.09.9
26 九月 207400:00:0015h 28m 15.1s-04°02' 19"0.81370.941449.410.0
27 九月 207400:00:0015h 29m 10.8s-03°33' 24"0.81510.975248.610.1
28 九月 207400:00:0015h 30m 00.2s-03°06' 25"0.81691.008847.910.1
29 九月 207400:00:0015h 30m 43.9s-02°41' 09"0.81911.042047.210.2
30 九月 207400:00:0015h 31m 22.6s-02°17' 26"0.82181.074846.510.3
01 十月 207400:00:0015h 31m 56.8s-01°55' 08"0.82491.107445.710.4
02 十月 207400:00:0015h 32m 27.0s-01°34' 07"0.82841.139545.010.5
03 十月 207400:00:0015h 32m 53.6s-01°14' 17"0.83231.171344.210.6
04 十月 207400:00:0015h 33m 17.1s-00°55' 31"0.83661.202643.410.6
05 十月 207400:00:0015h 33m 37.8s-00°37' 44"0.84131.233642.710.7
06 十月 207400:00:0015h 33m 56.0s-00°20' 51"0.84641.264141.910.8
07 十月 207400:00:0015h 34m 12.0s-00°04' 48"0.85191.294241.110.9
08 十月 207400:00:0015h 34m 26.0s+00°10' 29"0.85771.323840.410.9
09 十月 207400:00:0015h 34m 38.3s+00°25' 03"0.86391.352939.611.0
10 十月 207400:00:0015h 34m 49.1s+00°38' 58"0.87041.381638.911.1
11 十月 207400:00:0015h 34m 58.5s+00°52' 16"0.87721.409838.111.2
12 十月 207400:00:0015h 35m 06.7s+01°05' 01"0.88441.437537.411.3
13 十月 207400:00:0015h 35m 14.0s+01°17' 14"0.89181.464836.611.3
14 十月 207400:00:0015h 35m 20.3s+01°28' 58"0.89961.491535.911.4
15 十月 207400:00:0015h 35m 25.9s+01°40' 14"0.90771.517735.211.5
16 十月 207400:00:0015h 35m 30.8s+01°51' 06"0.91601.543534.511.6
17 十月 207400:00:0015h 35m 35.2s+02°01' 35"0.92461.568733.811.6
18 十月 207400:00:0015h 35m 39.1s+02°11' 42"0.93351.593433.111.7
19 十月 207400:00:0015h 35m 42.6s+02°21' 29"0.94261.617632.411.8
20 十月 207400:00:0015h 35m 45.8s+02°30' 57"0.95191.641331.811.9
21 十月 207400:00:0015h 35m 48.8s+02°40' 09"0.96151.664531.111.9
22 十月 207400:00:0015h 35m 51.5s+02°49' 04"0.97121.687130.512.0
23 十月 207400:00:0015h 35m 54.1s+02°57' 45"0.98121.709229.912.1
24 十月 207400:00:0015h 35m 56.6s+03°06' 12"0.99141.730929.312.2
25 十月 207400:00:0015h 35m 59.0s+03°14' 27"1.00181.752028.812.2
26 十月 207400:00:0015h 36m 01.4s+03°22' 31"1.01231.772628.212.3

AJJ 发表于 2012-12-2 11:24

苍穹旋律 发表于 2012-12-1 00:42 static/image/common/back.gif
仔细整理了一下目前已经得到的资料。

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