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[转载]天顶镜:棱镜VS反射镜

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我爱祖祖 发表于 2007-6-10 10:35 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式 来自: 中国–山东–青岛 广电网

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转自cloudynight2004年的帖子

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Diagonals; Prisms vs. Mirrors

Neither mirror nor prism are better. If you notice, every manufacturer of quality scopes with fast focal ratios uses mirror diagonals. Every manufacturer that sells quality scopes with long focal ratios sells prism diagonals. It抯 not an accident. You get the diagonal that matches the scope.
Assuming the same quality of manufacture, prisms give less light scatter, a good thing. And unlike a mirror, they are also self collimating. But they also create false color in scopes with fast focal ratios. Just like your old Jr. High experiments, when you send light into a prism at an angle other than perpendicular, it will cause false color. Fast telescopes send light into a diagonal prism at a steeper angle and can in fact introduce false color into a scopes where there was none. The sharper the angle (faster the telescope) the more false color is introduced. Prisms are more expensive to make in larger sizes than mirrors and may account why in 2?and larger diagonals, mirrors dominate.
Prisms on the other hand never scatter light and therefore can produce excellent contrast. Also, they never age. In terms of transmission, each depends on the coatings. A multicoated prism and enhanced Aluminized mirror can both achieve about the same 98% transmission. But that really is not important. (WHAT DID HE SAY?)
Most of the discussions about diagonals have centered on reflectivity. Of all the characteristics that make a good diagonal, reflectivity is one but not the most important. But it is the easiest characteristic to market, 96% is better than 95% right. There is a vast amount of laboratory data that proves that human beings cannot perceive a few % of light change, yet it is the characteristic most often quoted to define how good a diagonal is. Buy X because its 97% and not Y because its only 95%. Yet even Meade抯 and Celestron抯 new ads for their high transmission coatings state that you CAN NOT really 搒ee?the difference and they抮e talking about 10% difference. On the other hand, a camera can easily 搑ecord? the difference. But you don抰 use diagonals when photographing do you.
So, why is it that people that demand full documentation on the optical accuracy of their $5000 telescope, only worry about the brightness of their diagonal and not accuracy? Isn抰 accuracy, in this case flatness, at least as important than brightness. Doesn抰 the difference between a 1/7th wave vs. a 1/20th wave surface have a greater impact on your viewing than the difference between 94% vs. 98% transmission. The few that supply accuracy papers on their diagonals do so before they are coated, not after and there can be a huge difference. The papers make you feel good, but do not reflect (sorry) the actual product you receive. As a rule, the brighter the coatings, the more layers of coatings had to be laid down, and the less it reflects (sorry again) the accuracy of the original precision flat surface accuracy. Standard Aluminum coatings (88%) have one layer, semi enhanced (91%) 2 layers, enhanced Aluminum (94%)has 3 layers of coatings. Dielectric coatings can have up to 22 layers. The advantage of a dielectric coated mirror is its longevity. Unless abused, they will last a lifetime.
In short, use the diagonal that works best your scope. It may be the one the manufacturer supplied.

  • Look for the most accurate diagonal, then the brightest.
  • Look for all metal parts, a machined housing is best but not required.
  • A true 90.00 degrees is important. That means 1 piece CNC machined housing.
  • User collimatable is nice.
  • The substrate is important. Cervit, Zerodur, Astrosital and Quartz are better than Pyrex. Pyrex is a bit better than BK7. BK7 is better way than plate glass.

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Alone狼 发表于 2007-6-10 10:55 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–福建–福州 电信/佳业网吧(实达公寓附近)
不错 ,听有意思 的文章。
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 楼主| 我爱祖祖 发表于 2007-6-10 11:04 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–山东–青岛 广电网
是啊,老文章了,不过温故而知新阿,呵呵。最近怎么见不到你呢?
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Alone狼 发表于 2007-6-10 11:10 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–福建–福州 电信/佳业网吧(实达公寓附近)
用户: 我爱祖祖 在文中写到:
是啊,老文章了,不过温故而知新阿,呵呵。最近怎么见不到你呢?

最近事情很多,唉而且家里的电脑还坏了。。。。。。
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 楼主| 我爱祖祖 发表于 2007-6-10 11:37 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–山东–青岛 广电网
真郁闷阿
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funder 发表于 2007-6-10 14:33 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 新加坡 南洋理工大学
这里我有一点疑惑,贴子里面认为反射镜会散射光线,为什么?
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 楼主| 我爱祖祖 发表于 2007-6-10 16:15 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–山东–青岛 广电网
我在想是不是说反射光线的无序呢?
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funder 发表于 2007-6-10 17:51 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 新加坡 南洋理工大学
为什么反射了就无序?这在道理上讲不通,而且棱镜也是反射的,只不过是全反射。 反射望远镜主镜副镜也是靠反射镀层反射,如果无序了,散射了,成像岂不是一团糟?
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 楼主| 我爱祖祖 发表于 2007-6-10 18:08 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–山东–青岛 广电网
棱镜是不是应该是折射吧?

我估计,可能平面反射会产生一些杂光的原因,这个问题说得并不清楚
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Alone狼 发表于 2007-6-10 18:14 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–福建–福州 鹏博士宽带
没必要叫真,其实,这种文章就是看一个结论。
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 楼主| 我爱祖祖 发表于 2007-6-10 18:28 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–山东–青岛 广电网
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funder 发表于 2007-6-10 20:04 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 新加坡 南洋理工大学


棱镜也是反射,但是在反射之前和之后的界面,离轴光线是有折射的,所以棱镜天顶镜会有色差

文章看结论没错,但结论是否正确呢?
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feng1734 发表于 2007-6-10 21:34 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–天津–天津–河北区 联通
棱镜的色差是因为光线在玻璃里传播引起的,与那个全反射面没有关系吧。。。。
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funder 发表于 2007-6-10 22:09 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 新加坡 南洋理工大学
和全反射面没有关系,色差是因为界面的折射
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wanjilin 发表于 2007-6-10 22:11 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–上海–上海–静安区 电信
我只知道 入门镜配的是反射天顶  中档一般是棱镜 高档就都是反射的了

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saw 发表于 2007-6-11 11:23 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–上海–上海–杨浦区 电信
和尺寸也有关系,2“的多是mirror
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寻找拉玛 发表于 2007-6-17 19:12 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–广西–钦州 电信
是国外的产品。::0022:: 看起来不错。
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