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在小小白和200/2.8L之间犹豫,谁有小小白拍的天文?

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北京巡天 发表于 2009-11-11 22:58 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式 来自: 中国–北京–北京–朝阳区 联通

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在小小白和200/2.8L之间犹豫,谁有小小白拍的天文?
northwolfwu 发表于 2009-11-11 23:37 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–江苏–南京 电信
本帖最后由 northwolfwu 于 2009-11-11 23:46 编辑

哈哈,我刚进了个小小白,在网上用 google的图片搜索canon 70 200mm nebula就可以看到很多了。

http://www.qhyccd.com/ALBUM.html中有一张:

NGC7000_QHY8_9x600s_desktop.jpg

还有个小白拍的:
http://www.koenvangorp.be/deepsky/galaxies.html

2008_09_03-m31_1500.jpg
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wlbx 发表于 2009-11-11 23:39 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–广西–柳州 电信
天文光圈大一点时间就短不少呀。
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northwolfwu 发表于 2009-11-11 23:51 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–江苏–南京 电信
如果赤道仪承重不是问题,就搞个小白吧,焦距可调也是个优势。
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刘曾霖 发表于 2009-11-11 23:58 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–天津–天津 联通
一样买一只
不喜欢了再卖掉
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rogerrao 发表于 2009-11-12 02:22 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–台湾 中华电信(HiNet)数据中心
第2張不是小白啊~
是Canon EF 300mm f/2.8 L USM
小白指的是EF70-200 F2.8L
不一樣喔~^_^
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penn 发表于 2009-11-12 08:49 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–北京–北京–朝阳区 联通
相机镜头拍摄细节还是不行。
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步天歌 发表于 2009-11-12 08:58 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–北京–北京 联通
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走走看看 发表于 2009-11-12 09:54 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–北京–北京–海淀区 联通
应该XXB更好一些
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yjc0 发表于 2009-11-12 10:32 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–上海–上海 联通
本帖最后由 yjc0 于 2009-11-12 11:27 编辑

http://www.hvezdarnicka.sk/?menu=252&lang=2

                               
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Technical information:
  Optics:Canon EF 200 f/2,8 L II USM
  Focal length:200mm
  ISO:1600
  Camera:modified Canon 350D
  Description:center of picture




                               
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Technical information:
  Optics:Canon EF 200 f/2,8 L II USM
  Focal length:200mm
  ISO:1600
  Camera:modified Canon 350D
  Description:corner of picture
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yjc0 发表于 2009-11-12 11:26 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–上海–上海 联通
http://www.hvezdarnicka.sk/?menu=114&lang=2
Flyby of asteroid 2004 XP 14 around Earth.


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Technical information:
  Optics:Canon 70-200 F4 L USM
  Focal length:200mm
  Aperture:4
  Exposure:29x5 minutes
  Date and time:03 July 2006 from 21:53 UTC
  Location:Central Europe, Slovakia, Čadca, village Zákopčie
  Conditions:sometimes clear sky, sometimes moving clouds
  Pointation:autopointation with Newton 170/1150
  Mount:home made
  Software:Photoshop
  ISO:1600
  Camera:Canon 350D
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yjc0 发表于 2009-11-12 11:42 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–上海–上海 联通
本帖最后由 yjc0 于 2009-11-12 11:43 编辑

http://www.astropix.com/HTML/I_ASTROP/EQ_TESTS/C70_200.HTM

Image 1 - Comet Machholz passes by the Pleiades. Shot with a Canon EF70-200mm F/2.8 L USM IS zoom lens at 200mm at f/2.8 with a Canon 1DMark II digital camera.
Hold the mouse cursor over the image to see the sections of the image that were enlarged below.
Image 1shows the full frame from an original processed raw frame. It wasopened in Canon's Digital Photo Professional v 1.5.03 with thefollowing settings:
  • Brightness Adjust: 0
  • White Balance Adjust: Click White on the sky background
  • Dynamic Range Adjust: 0 (-9.0), 4095 (3.8)
  • Tone Curve Property: Linear
  • Color Adjustment: Shot Settings (none)
  • Convert and Save: 16 bit TIFF
  • Color Profile embedded: Adobe
  • Sharpening: None
The Image was opened in Photoshop CS and the mid-tone gamma was adjusted to 3.18. No other adjustments were made to the image.Fordisplay on this web page, the images were re-sized using bi-cubicresampling. No sharpening was applied. The files were then converted tosRGB color space and saved with a JPEG quality of 8.
Theoriginal high-resolution file was opened in Photoshop where it wasenlarged to 100 percent and cropped for the following examples of thelens' performance on a star field.

                               
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Image 2 - Center of frame, 100 percent enlargement.

Even inthe center of the frame of Image 2 we can see that the stars exhibit ablue halo from chromatic aberration in the lens when used wide open atf/2.8 at 200mm focal length.

                               
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Image 3 - Center of frame, 500 percent enlargement.

Also notethat the stars are not circular in Image 3, which they should be, andas seen in the previous examples shot with the 300mm f/2.8 and 400mmf/2.8 L series USM IS lenses, the brightest core of the star is notcentered, but offset to one corner, with a large diffuse halo aroundit, that is not chromatic aberration.
These particular stars were chosen very near the exact center of the frame. because they display a varied range of brightness.

                               
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Image 4 - Top right corner of frame, 100 percent enlargement.

Stars in the corners of the frame of Image 4 exhibit lateral chromatic aberrations, as well as astigmatism.

                               
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Image 5 - Top right corner of frame, 500 percent enlargement.

Thelateral chromatic aberration can be see here in Image 5. It is causedwhen all three color planes in the image are not brought to the samefocus.

                               
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Image 6 - Lower left corner of frame, 100 percent enlargement.

Here inImage 6, in addition to astigmatism and lateral chromatic aberration, adiffraction effect can be seen, which is curious since the aperturediaphragm was not stopped down, which usually causes these effects.

                               
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Image 7 - Lower left corner of frame, 500 percent enlargement.

Diffraction effects can be easily seen around the brightest star in the frame in Image 7.

                               
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Image 8 - The Pleiades, enlarged 100 percent.

Mis-shapen stars in the Pleiades are seen in Image 8.
Image Data

  • Lens: Canon EOS EF 70 - 200mm f/2.8 L USM IS working at 200mm
  • F/stop: 2.8
  • Exposure: single 3 minute exposure
  • ISO: 800
  • Camera: Canon EOS 1D Mark II
  • In-camera Noise Reduction: Off
  • Filter: none
  • Exposure start: 10:16:55 PM EST
  • Date: January 8, 2005
  • Location: Rt 563 Gravel Pit near Maxwell, NJ
  • Temp: 45 degrees F
  • Dew: 0
  • Transparency: 8
  • Seeing: NR
  • Autoguider error: NR
  • Notes: lots of clouds around
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yjc0 发表于 2009-11-12 11:46 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–上海–上海 联通
http://www.astropix.com/HTML/I_ASTROP/LENSES.HTM

[size=+2]Camera Lenses for Astrophotography  
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[size=-2]Canon 50mm and 16-35mm lenses.
The high resolution of digital sensors provide quite a challenge fornormal photographic lenses. These lenses were made for general daytimephotography. Shooting pinpoint light sources across a wide field ifstars is the most difficult test possible for a camera lens.

[size=-1]Telescopesare corrected to give their best performance at relatively slow focalratios at infinity. Camera lenses must cover comparatively large fieldsat various subject distances at much faster focal ratios. So it is notreally fair to compare the performance of a camera lens to anastronomical telescope, especially when the camera lens is used wideopen.
[size=-1]To coverwide fields at fast focal ratios, camera lenses employ multipleelements in multiple groups. In some cases a dozen or more elements.Telescopes, because they work at much slower focal ratios, usually onlyneed 3 or 4 elements for a refractor, and only one mirror for areflector (the second mirror in a Newtonian is only a flat mirror toturn the light cone at a 90 degree angle to make it come out of theside of the tube). Compound designs, such as a Schmidt Cassegrain, arecompromise designs to make a much more portable design, but even theyproduce diffraction-limited images with only a mirror and one lens.
[size=-1]Multipleelements in camera lenses lead to some light loss because there are somany air-to-glass surfaces, and additional contrast loss, even withmulti-coating. Also, alignment, centering and collimation of all ofthese elements is critical in a camera lens.
[size=-1]All lenseswill also exhibit "vignetting", or more properly, "geometric lightfalloff." This is an uneven circular field illumination when used wideopen, which continues to improve as the lens is stopped down down 3 to4 stops. Optical aberrations such as astigmatism and coma are generallymuch improved by the time the lens is stopped down two stops.
[size=-1]Cameralenses, however, can be used for shooting the stars! In most cases theymust be stopped down a stop or two from wide open to improve coma,astigmatism and chromatic aberrations enough to produce usable stars.Even lenses that work very well wide open, such as the Nikon 180mmf/2.8 ED and Canon 200mm f/2.8, will get sharper if they are stoppeddown one or two stops.
[size=-1]Thequality of lenses can vary from one to another, even in the same modelbecause of variations in production. If you are going to buy anylens specifically for astrophotography, you should try to test it firstwith your equipment to see if it satisfies your requirements. This isespecially critical for astrophotography. You may find a used lens thatlooks pristine on the outside but may have lens elements out ofcollimation on the inside because the lens was dropped or knockedaround in a way that didn't leave markings.
[size=-1]Zoom Lenses
[size=-1]Many DSLRcameras come with a very inexpensive ($100) kit zoom lens, such as an18 - 55mm f/3.5 - f/5.6. These lenses usually perform ok for daytimework, but generally do not perform as well as fixed-focal lengthlenses, especially for astrophotography. They contain more elements inmore complicated optical designs, and are usually slower in terms oftheir focal ratios.
[size=-1]Some of the latest zoom lenses, in particular the Canon L series, can perform fairly well, but are very expensive.
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Lens Speed

[size=-1]To shootscenic twilight scenes, constellations, meteors, or comets on a fixedtripod it is important to get the fastest lens that you can. "Fast" isthis case refers to the focal ratio and means a lens with a largeaperture in relation to its focal length.
[size=-1]The focalratio is defined as the focal length of the lens divided by theaperture. So a lens with a 50mm focal length and 25mm aperture has afocal ratio of f/2 (50/25 = 2).
[size=-1]Cameralenses do not have their apertures printed on them, nor are theyadvertised. Only the focal length and f/ratio are given, but it's easyto calculate the aperture with this formula: Aperture = focallength/focal ratio.
[size=-1]Counter-intuitively,smaller focal ratio numbers mean larger apertures for a given focallength. For example, a 50mm f/1.4 lens has a larger aperture than a50mm f/2 lens. Likewise, a 300mm f/2.8 lens has a larger aperture thana 300mm f/5.6 lens.
[size=-1]The widerthe aperture of the lens, the "faster" it is in terms of speed. Widerapertures collect more photons and shorter exposures can be used.
[size=-1]Try to geta lens that is at least f/2.8 for fixed tripod shots so you can userelatively short exposures. This will lessen the amount of startrailing you get when shooting on a fixed tripod. If you are shootingon a polar-aligned equatorial tracking mount, the f/stop of the lens isnot as critical because you can always shoot longer exposures withouttrailing.
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Canon EF-S and Nikon DX Lenses

[size=-1]Sensors inDSLR cameras come in different sizes. Some, like the Canon 5D and NikonD3 are "full-sized" at 36 mm x 24 mm (the same size as traditional 35mmfilm). Most are smaller, about 22 to 24 mm on the long side by 15 to 16mm on the short side.
[size=-1]Covering alarger sized sensor at the focal plane is more demanding for a lens'design. Camera manufacturers realized that they could design a set ofspecial lenses for smaller sensors that would be more compact and lessexpensive and still provide good optical performance. Canon uses a EF-S designation for their particular models.  Nikon uses a DX designation for these type lenses.
[size=-1]These EF-Sand DX lenses usually have a rear element that protrudes more into thecamera body and covers a smaller image circle. When these lenses areused on a larger sensor they will vignette and have poorer performancein the corners and Canon and Nikon do not recommend their use onfull-sized sensors.
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High-End Lenses

[size=-1]Canon lenses and Nikon lensesboth include high-end, high-performance lenses. In addition to beingvery expensive, they utilize special glass, such as ED (extra-lowdispersion) or fluorite, as well as aspheric lens surface curves.
[size=-1]Canon's Lseries, and Nikon's ED series, in particular, provide very fast maximumapertures telephoto lenses. Canon's L series extends down to theirwide-angle lenses, normal and short telephotos, but Nikon doesn't quitehave anything to match them in the shorter focal lengths.
[size=-1]Canon hasa 24mm f/1.4 L, 35mm f/1.4 L, 50mm f/1.2 L and 85mm f/1.2 L. Bycomparison, Nikon's fastest shorter lenses are a 35mm f/2, 50mm f/1.4and 85mm f/1.4. None of these lenses by Nikon incorporate any specialED glass or aspheric curves however.
[size=-1]Even withtheir special glass and exotic designs, these high-end,short-focal-length lenses will not be perfect when used wide openshooting star fields. Their performance will be good, but there will besome coma present especially at maximum apertures. Like every otherlens, their performance will improve when stopped down.
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High-End Lenses vs Telescopes

[size=-1]Both Canonand Nikon make fast high-end lenses in the 300mm to 600mm range withapertures from f/2.8 to f/4. These lenses are very expensive, costingthousands of dollars. At this price point you are into the same pricerange a expensive high-end apochromatic refractors. This naturallyraises the question of which work better for astrophotography.
[size=-1]If youneed an optical system for both daytime photography andastrophotography, these high-end lenses can work. If you need a longfocal length with a very fast aperture, say for nature or sportsphotography, you won't really be able to use a telescope at all. Youcan, however, use a 400mm f/2.8 lens to shoot the stars, if you have asturdy mount capable of handling the weight and if you don't mindcompromising a bit on optical performance when the lens is used wideopen.
[size=-1]Theoptical performance of these lenses on starfields are usually prettygood when used wide open. Their performance, like most other lenses,will improve when they are stopped down. But if you are going to spend$6,800 on a giant piece of glass like this only to stop it down, thenyou are definitely better off going with an apochromatic refractor witha telecompressor/field flattner. These scopes are made to do one thing- image stars at infinity. They also make excellent instruments forvisual observing. If you put a high-power eyepiece on an expensivesuper telephoto, you will be very disappointed in it's visualperformance.
[size=-1]So, if youneed dual use for daytime and astrophotography, get a long telephoto.If you need dual use for astrophotography and visual astronomy, get anapochromatic refractor.
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Canon Lenses for Astrophotography

[size=-1]Thefollowing lenses and astrophotographic performance descriptions applyto APS-sized 1.3x, 1.5x and 1.6x crop-factor sensors. In general, lensperformance in the corners degrades as the sensor size gets larger.

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Older Canon Lenses

[size=-1]Canon madesome fine manual-focus lenses, such as the R, FL, and FD series, fortheir film cameras before they came out with the EOS system andauto-focus. Unfortunately, these lenses can't really be used on the newauto-focus EF camera bodies for astrophotography.
[size=-1]When Canon redesigned their cameras and lenses for autofocus, theychanged the distance from the lens flange to the sensor. Older FDlenses have a register (flange to sensor distance) of 42 mm. Modern EOSlenses have a register of 44 mm. That means that for infinity focus,older lenses come to a focus 2mm in front of the sensor. This is not agood thing for astrophotography!
[size=-1]The olderFD lenses can not be used at infinity on an EOS body unless an adapterwith an optical transfer lens is used. This usually degrades theperformance of the lens enough to be undesirable for astrophotography.So basically, you don't want to use older Canon FD lenses on EOS EFbodies for astrophotography. But if you have one of these rare Canonoptical adapters, you can certainly try it! There are also some thirdparty optical adapters to use older FD lenses on new auto-focus bodies,but they are of poor optical quality.
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Nikon Lenses for astrophotography

[size=-1]Nikon isproud that they have not changed their lens mount, and have maintainedbackwards compatibility with older Nikon lenses with the newest Nikoncamera bodies.
[size=-1]You canalso use Nikon lenses on Canon EOS EF lens-mount bodies. This isbecause the register distance on a Nikon is 46.5 mm, so there is roomfor a simple mechanical adapter between a Nikon lens and a Canon EOSbody. An excellent quality, inexpensive adapter is available from Fotodiox.comfor $28 on the internet. They also offer many other adapters to usedifferent lenses on different camera bodies. Nikon lenses used on Canonbodies require manual focus and must be stopped down for metering, butthese two drawbacks are not important for astrophotography.

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Other Manufacturers

[size=-1]Third-partymanufacturers, such as Sigma and Tokina, also make lenses in the NikonF and Canon EF lens mounts. These lenses are less expensive, butusually not quite as good. Quality control seems to be the majorproblem with third party manufacturers so individual samples of lensescan vary. Test them if you can before you buy them.
[size=-1]Sigma, inparticular, has a decent reputation for making some lenses that aregood for astrophotography on a budget. In particular these specificlenses are recommended for astrophotography:
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[size=-1]Suggested Starter Lens Sets for Astrophotography[size=-1]When juststarting out, the best lens to get is a simple 50mm f/1.8. It is small,lightweight, reasonably fast even when stopped down to f/2.8, and cheap.
[size=-1]If your camera came with a zoom lens, then you can certainly try it out for astrophotography.
[size=-1]The nextlens to think about getting will either be a wide angle or a telephoto.Wide angles are great for scenic shots on a fixed tripod and are moreforgiving of mount tracking errors when used piggy-back forconstellation shots.
[size=-1]Telephotosare great for large nebulae like the North America nebula and the MilkyWay star clouds in Sagittarius. Which type lens to get first will be upto your personal preference, but telephoto lenses will require a goodtelescope mount, and accurate focus, polar alignment and tracking. Asthe focal length of the lens increases, things become more critical andthe degree of difficulty increases.
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[size=-1]The Canon200mm and Nikon 180mm telephotos can be used wide open, althoughperformance will improve if they are stopped down. These longtelephotos will also require some type of mount or ring to hold thelens securely. Mounting them by the camera body tripod socket alone isa bad idea because mounting a large heavy lens by a single pivot pointinvites rotation during an exposure leading to trailed stars. Manyastrophotographers choose to mount these heavy lenses with a separatering at the front of the lens in addition to the camera's tripod mount.Using two rings to mount this type of lens allows flexibility in aimingand framing the camera.
[size=-1]Expect tohave to stop the other lenses down a minimum of one to two stops to getacceptable performance, and perhaps three stops to get very goodperformance on a full-frame DSLR camera.
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搜星星 发表于 2009-11-12 14:18 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–河南–郑州 联通
LS真能贴啊,就是英语不好,看不懂想说明什么
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su27mylove 发表于 2009-11-12 16:37 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–江苏–无锡 电信
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zhangqicd 发表于 2009-11-12 16:42 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–北京–北京–丰台区 联通
看10、13楼的帖子,如果专用拍天228L光圈收到3.5就非常OK了,XXB估计需要5.6才能得到圆润锐利的星点。要是考虑镜头兼作日常创作,XXB非常有优势!
另外我感觉现在数码摄影还是要靠短时间曝光多张叠加...除了增加信噪比,也能克服追踪误差.....这样算来用XXB无非是多拍摄几张,效果也不会很差,对其他设备也不是啥负担。
若是较起真来....据说不论是否是天文拍摄...定焦还是比变焦强...天文摄影还没听说有哪只变焦牛头能赶上定焦的.....赵老师应该更精通此道...
综合考虑我投XXB一票
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Harold 发表于 2009-11-12 20:44 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–北京–北京 联通
定焦头肯定比变焦头强!这是真理!::0023::
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想看星星 发表于 2009-11-12 21:11 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–上海–上海–普陀区 电信
定焦头肯定比变焦头强!这是真理!::0023::
Harold 发表于 2009-11-12 20:44

同等级比较定焦一定比变焦强,不同等级比较定焦未必比变焦强。
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美丽的星空 发表于 2009-11-12 22:55 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–河北–保定 电信
本帖最后由 美丽的星空 于 2009-11-12 23:05 编辑

感觉同是200端,同是F/4时拍的,中心差不多,但小白的边缘要好
http://www.koenvangorp.be/deepsky/nebulae.html
XXB-m45_1500.jpg
XB-m45_2100.jpg
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美丽的星空 发表于 2009-11-12 23:08 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–河北–保定 电信
网站里小白照片很多,小小白的少,可以对比一下,小白有口径优势比较大,另外两个镜头的实际口径都是多少?
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