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沈阳老裴 发表于 2012-2-29 18:44 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式 来自: 中国–辽宁–沈阳–铁西区 电信

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说明:这个是看到大庆兄在二手区一个贴子后,找到的,感觉非常好,故转贴一下。
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原贴地址:http://www.mdpub.com/scopeworks/hexagons/index.html
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How I Make Light-Weight Hexagon or Honeycomb Telescope Mirror Blanks
[size=+1]By casting them myself in a kiln

                               
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This is a photo of a 12.5 inch diameter, 1.5 inch thick, telescope mirror blank that has been lightened by casting the mirror in a mold that made lots of hexagon-shaped pockets in the back of the mirror. This is the story of how I did it.
Why light-weight mirror blanks? Well, telescope mirrors are made from thick glass. Thick glass is heavy, no, really heavy. Most people don't realize how heavy glass really is because they usually only deal with small pieces of thin plate glass. Handing a large telescope mirror to someone who has never seen one before, is a revelation to them about just how heavy glass really is. I like to tell them that it is as heavy as granite. In a large telescope, the primary mirror can constitute 1/3 or more of the weight of the entire instrument. Supporting the massive weight of the mirror requires that the rest of the telescope be sturdily built. The result is that large telescopes can be shockingly heavy. I know this first hand because I have thrown out my back several times moving my relatively "easily portable" 17.5 inch Dobsonian Telescope. So I decided to try making some-light-weight mirror blanks, just to see if I could do it.


                               
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Let's start this story at the beginning. About two years ago I bought a kiln and began experimenting with making my owntelescope mirror blanks  by fusing together disks of thin glass in my kiln to make the thick glass needed for telescope mirrors. The process works great, and I have produced wonderful solid blanks up to 14.5 inches in diameter and 1 1/2 inches thick in my new, bigger kiln. Once I had the process of making solid blanks pretty much perfected, I wanted to try making light-weight mirror blanks.

So, how to make a light weight mirror? There are two schools of thought on that. One way is to make the mirror thinner. Telescope mirrors are generally made of thick glass because thick glass is very stiff and won't distort, even under its considerable weight. Thin glass is not very stiff and distorts easily even under its own weight. So mirrors are made thick to keep them stiff. Making a mirror thinner leads to problems keeping it properly supported so it doesn't sag out of shape. The mirror cells get really complicated, and sometimes the mirrors sag anyway.
The other way to make a light-weight telescope mirror is to keep the mirror thick so it will be stiff, but remove pockets of glass from the back in such a way as to lighten the mirror without compromising its stiffness. Since the mirror is now lighter, but still thick, it has even less tendency to sag and distort under its own weight than a solid mirror. The mirror cell can be very simple and low-tech. The problem is, to go this route, you need to cast the mirror yourself. A daunting task for most people. I am not afraid of complex and time-consuming projects with steep learning curves, (basically I was too dumb to realize I couldn't do this, so I went ahead and did it anyway) so I dove in and started experimenting.
One of my first attempts at making a light-weight mirror blank resulted in my Waffle-Back design. This mirror has a lot of small circular pockets in the back of the mirror to lighten it. This design works, and it sure is pretty, if I do say so myself, but it doesn't lighten the mirror blank as much as it could. The amount of glass left between the circular pockets is excessive. I played around with different sizes of pockets and different ways of arranging them, looking for improvements. I could improve the design, but not as much as I wanted to. I stuck with circular pockets for a long time, because circles are easy to make. Eventually though, I realized that hexagons would work much better, and abandoned the circles.

Why hexagons? Hexagons can be used to tile a plane with no gaps between them. Circles though, no matter how you arrange them, will always have gaps between them. Those gaps represent excess glass. Naturally I do need gaps between the hexagons to make the supporting ridges that keep the mirror thick and stiff. But those ridges are uniform in width, and I can control the width of those ridges easily by adjusting the spacing between the hexagons. I could make the gaps just big enough to do the job with no waste. The big problem I had was how to make the hexagons I needed? I tried tots of things, and none of them really worked. I tried using hexagon cookie cutters. I tried making wood hexagon molds. I tried hexagonal chocolate molds. It was all an utter failure.
Then I had the eureka moment. I was wracking my brain trying to figure out where I could find hexagons in lots of different sizes for my experiments. Suddenly I noticed a hex nut on a piece of equipment. The lightbulb went off. I slapped my forehead and said Duh! Hex nuts are hexagons. They come in an amazing variety of sizes. They are easy to find and relatively cheap. I went online and found a table showing the dimensions of standard hex nuts. I decided that 1 1/4 inch ID nuts were the perfect size for the pockets I wanted to make in the back of the mirrors. They are just a little under 2 inches across the flats. So I popped down to Pinellas Bolt and Screw and bought a box of big nuts.

I can't use the nuts themselves to mold the pockets, but I can use the nuts as molds to make plaster hexagons the same size as the nuts. These plaster hexagons then become the molds for the pockets in the back of the mirror blank. I arrange the nuts in a pattern that leaves 8 nut-shaped voids I can pour plaster into.

The recipe for this plaster is 50% Hydrocal plaster and 50% 200 mesh silica flour (by volume) with enough water to make it soupy so it can be poured. In just a few minutes the plaster hexagons are hard enough to break out of the nut molds. I clean up any rough edges or flashing with a rasp.

It may seem like a convoluted way to do things, but making the plaster hexagons this way actually goes fairly quickly and easily. In a short time I had a big pile of hexagons made. The hexagons are 1 inch tall and 1 7/8 inches across the flats. I was now ready to make the mold for the mirror blank.

I had drawn up the pattern I wanted to make. I wanted to actually see the pattern and make sure there were no problems before continuing. So I mocked up the pattern of the hexagons on a paper circle 12.5 inches in diameter. I cut some of the hexagons with a diamond tile saw and shaped them with a belt sander to make the partial hexagons for around the edge. I used square wooden dowels 3/8 inch in size as spacers to get the spacing between the hexagons the way I wanted it and keep it uniform.

I start building the mold with a kiln shelf that has been well coated in kiln wash. I drew a 12.5 inch diameter circle on the kiln shelf. This is the footprint of the finished mirror blank. The hexagons and partial hexagons will need to be arranged within this circle. Again I am using the wood dowels to get the spacing right. To keep the hexagons from shifting around, I glue them down with a slurry of kiln wash.

To glue down the hexagons I mix up some soupy kiln wash and use a spray bottle to wet down both the hexagon, and the position on the shelf where it will go. I then dip the bottom of the hexagon in the soupy kiln wash and quickly put it in place. The plaster hexagon and the porous kiln shelf wick the water out of the kiln wash slurry in a matter of seconds, and the hexagon locks in place. If I don't wet the pieces first, the kiln wash slurry hardens instantly. I have only a very short period of time to maneuver the hexagon into place after it touches town on the kiln shelf before the kiln wash seizes up. If it isn't in the right place, I have to break it loose, scrape off the hardened kiln wash, and try again.

Once all the hexagons and partial hexagons are in place, I put the outer ring of the mold in place. The ring is cut from soft fire brick with a band saw. The pieces are glued together with furnace cement. This particular mold has been used several times before. It is beat up and has multiple repairs. Once the mold is finished, I place the shelf, with the mold on it, into the kiln.

Here I am cleaning 3 disks of 1/2 inch thick glass in my dishwasher. These particular disks are 14.5 inches in diameter. I didn't have any photos of the 12.5 inch diameter disks I used in this blank. After thoroughly cleaning 2 disks of glass 12.5 inches in diameter and 1/2 inch thick, I place them in the mold. and fire up the kiln.

Here is a shot of the blank cooking in the kiln. At this point, the two disks have fused together, and slumped down to fill the spaces between the hexagons, and the gap between the hexagons and the outer ring. Now comes three days of annealing and slow cool-down to room temp.

I have had several people write to me and ask what firing schedule I use for making these blanks. Here it is below.  I have a ramp-soak controller for my kiln. It took a lot of experimenting to find the proper times and temperatures for annealing. I started with the Bullseye Glass annealing tables, but got terrible results with the float glass. After ruining a lot of glass I discovered that I needed to go about 150 degrees F higher than the Bullseye recommended temperatures, and about four times as long on the ramp time of the initial cooling rate. This schedule generally yields a well annealed blank.
Firing Schedule
Ramp Time
300
60
115
AFAP
2000
1000
1400
Temperature
950
1250
1750
1050
950
850
90
Soak Time
0
60
60
400
0
0
0

Times are in minutes. Temperatures are in degrees F. AFAP = As Fast As Possible (I open the kiln lid to get the temperature down quickly so as not to linger in the devitrification zone). The above photo was taken during the rapid cool-down to the annealing temperature.
After the blank had finally cooled down to ambient, I took it out of the kiln, and removed the outer mold. Then it was time to start cleaning the plaster out of the hexagons and partial hexagons. A very messy and delicate job. Fortunately the plaster is rendered quite soft and powdery by the temperatures involved in casting glass. So it comes out fairly easily.

Here is the honeycomb back of the cleaned out mirror blank. The blank is a little over 12.5 inches in diameter and slightly irregular. I need to turn it round and get the diameter down to size on my grinder. The blank is 1.5 inches thick. The pockets are 1 inch deep. There is .5 inch of glass left on the front face for grinding a curve. It weighs only 10lbs, 9.5oz at this point. It will loose a little more weight on the grinder. It's not perfect. There are a few tiny air bubbles that may be close enough to the front surface to be encountered while grinding. Otherwise, I am very pleased with it.

Here is a photo of the finished 12.5 inch diameter honeycomb-back mirror blank after final edge trimming. It is side-by-side with a solid 12.5 inch blank of the same 1.5 inch thickness that I also cast in my kiln. The honeycomb blank weighs 10 lbs 3.6 oz. The solid blank weighs 17 lbs 10.4 oz. The honeycomb mirror is 42% lighter. I think I might be able to get close to a 50% reduction in weight with just some slight tweaking of the design.

So, What's next? I plan on grinding and polishing this 12.5 inch mirror to see how well it takes a figure, and if the pattern of the back prints through. I am also planning on making larger diameter versions of this design. I will post updates in the future.
独享桃园的熊 发表于 2012-2-29 19:13 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–天津–天津 联通
厉害!!!!!!!!!
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霜从夜降 发表于 2012-2-29 19:46 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–天津–天津–滨海新区 联通/河东区联通
真是牛人啊。不得不佩服。..
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vivian260573235 发表于 2012-2-29 20:54 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–广东–揭阳 电信
这个 有什么用啊
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magnizi 发表于 2012-2-29 20:55 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–贵州–贵阳 电信
看那电炉子眼热      
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zhou123 发表于 2012-2-29 21:40 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–广东–佛山 电信
用六角形载冷水保特镜子温度不寿外界的温度影响保待精度把   个人的观念
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zhou123 发表于 2012-2-29 21:59 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–广东–佛山 电信
列子 大型双筒望远镜 4.jpg
视频http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/wpQKlupAVwk

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视频不错。。。  详情 回复 发表于 2012-2-29 22:28
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v2500 发表于 2012-2-29 22:19 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–广东–深圳 天威视讯
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xdxd1201 发表于 2012-2-29 22:25 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–甘肃–兰州 电信
烧瓷器的小型电窑可以烧玻璃镜胚,还可以退火。
应该可行
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三叶观天 发表于 2012-2-29 22:28 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–广西–河池 电信
zhou123 发表于 2012-2-29 21:59
列子 大型双筒望远镜
视频http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/wpQKlupAVwk

视频不错。。。
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ohfaint 发表于 2012-2-29 22:42 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–陕西–西安 电信/西安电子科技大学
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liyulongmen 发表于 2012-3-1 09:22 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–北京–北京 中国科学院
ohfaint 发表于 2012-2-29 22:42
这个应该是做主反射镜用的。由于牛反的主反射镜一般是实心的,因此大口径的牛反都难以移动。而且牛反的反射 ...

正解。我开始以为要做成哈勃那种每片都是独立镜面的那种。。。。。。。。。。怎么看都不像啊。


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振旺光电客服 发表于 2012-3-1 16:34 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–江苏–苏州 电信
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ILN 发表于 2012-3-2 12:39 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 美国–伊利诺伊州
本帖最后由 ILN 于 2012-3-2 12:47 编辑

重量为10磅.比实心的镜子减少了7磅. 看他的home page这个人很能折腾.
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herong987 发表于 2012-3-4 22:44 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–江苏–徐州 电信
怎么退火的??
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