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ecloud 发表于 2013-12-20 14:04 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式 来自: 中国–辽宁–大连 联通

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因为自己要选择6mm的目镜,于是在网上爬文,正好找到了一个老外把好几个6mm目镜拿来同场测试,非常有价值

先贴原文,赶着去上班,晚点翻译

Good evening all,

I was able to get some of these eyepieces out under the stars for the first time tonight. I have not previously used the 3mm to 6mm Nagler Zoom or the 6mm TV Delos. The 6mm CZJ ortho should arrive tomorrow. As I didnt have all the eyepieces I didnt want to do anything too serious, but wanted to at least give the eyepieces I hadn't used before a fly.

I used the 10" and 14" scopes. The 18" er stayed in bed.

Seeing wasn't good enough for a 6mm eyepiece to really hold up well in either telescope and as time went on it started to deteriorate, so all scopes are now sleeping.

The four 6mm eyepieces I tried tonight were the 6mm Radian, 6mm Delos, 3mm -6mm Nagler Zoom and the 6mm UO HD ortho. Seeing wasnt good enough for any super critical evaluation at this magnification but I did spend some time studying the terraced wall craters in Mare Imbrium, as these have good reflection angles at this moon phase. I mainly worked on craters Aristillus, Timocharus and Archimedes. I also spent time on Copernicus.

Some preliminary observations.

All four eyepieces are very good. There are no lemons amongst them.
It was very difficult under tonights variable seeing conditions to separate them optically on any of the targets. To split them is going to take good conditions and a good telescope. Even then the differences are going to be fairly subtle in any case.

The Delos and the Radian are easily the most comfortable to use, followed by the Nagler zoom which was also pretty good and the UO HD ortho brought up the rear here, with its tight eye relief and tiny eye lens.

The Delos and the UO HD ortho had a nice cool colour tone, the Nagler zoom and the Radian were a bit warmer.

I found the DELOS a touch more difficult to use than my Pentax XW's, although it's still very good in this regard. It's just a bit easier to create blackouts in the DELOS trying to take in the full FOV, than it is in the XW's. This could also stem from the fact that I have been using my XW's for 10 years and the DELOS for 10 minutes. That having been said I really didnt have any trouble with the DELOS you just have to focus on getting your eye placement right, a bit more than you do with the XW's or the Radians for that matter.

What I can tell you at this point in time is that I like the DELOS a lot and it is a keeper.

Stay tuned. Hopefully I will get some more stable seeing over the weekend.

Cheers,
John B
 楼主| ecloud 发表于 2013-12-20 14:04 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–辽宁–大连 联通
Good Afternoon All,

I was able to spend about 2.5 hours last night with these eyepieces in my 10"/F5.3 scope. I haven't had this scope all that long and it was a good opportunity to further evaluate the scope also.

Unfortunately the 6mm Carl Zeiss Jena orthoscopic would not come to focus in this scope. It needed about another 6mm or 7mm of focuser intravel to reach focus. As this scope only has 2 collimation bolts on the primary mirror cell (as opposed to the normal 3) I can't push the mirror any further up the cell to adjust the focus point. I am pretty sure this eyepiece will reach focus in my 14"/F4.5 SDM and my 18"/F4.5 Obsession as these scopes are optimised for use with a paracorr which requires more inward travel than a normal eyepiece. However it may not be so easy to get seeing conditions good enough to support the power these eyepieces give in those scopes.

Last night I spend quite a while using Achernar and testing for things like On Axis Star Image Sharpness, Off Axis Star Image Sharpness, Lateral Colour, Internal Reflections and Light Scatter. I also spend some time on the full Moon. As you all know the full moon isn't the ideal time to observe it and do critical evaluation, but I thought I would see if these conditions showed any glaring differences between the eyepieces. The lunar targets I used were around Mare Fecunditatus. I used some craters which had some mountains and internal craterlets, including craters Goclenius and Langrenus. I also spent some time on Dorsa Geike which is a ridge about 250km in length.

As I indicated previously these are all very good high quality eyepieces with excellent on axis performance and the differences between them are going to be fairly subtle. I went into this evaluation very open minded and wanted to evaluate everything 100% objectively. However, I did feel that with the advantage of 15 years of technological advancement the DELOS would be a slightly superior performer to the TV Radian. Well I can tell you the Radian is in this fight right up to it's ears. Whilst I have only compared all the eyepieces on bright high contrast targets up to this time, whatever I have been able to see in the DELOS, I have been able to see in the Radian. In a couple of tests using Achernar the Radian outdid the DELOS. Maybe things will change when we get to dimmer threshhold targets where the expected gains from contrast/light throughput advances in technology, will be more evident and favour the DELOS. On axis sharpness and observable detail with the Nagler Zoom and the UO HD Ortho have also been the equal of the DELOS and Radian, but they have fallen slightly short of the others in a couple of other criteria like scatter control etc when tested on Achernar just outside the EOF. In some of the testing I did on Achernar, the Radian outpointed the DELOS, notably scatter control when Achernar was pushed just outside the FOV (slight advantage to the Radian) and in EOF performance as Achernar was allowed to drift from the centre of the FOV to the EOF. In the Radian the Star image stayed tight for 90% of the FOV and was still very good and useable right to the field stop. The DELOS was not as good, with the star image deteriorating from 70% of the way off axis and being essentially unuseable in the outer 10% of the FOV. Granted the DELOS has a 20% larger FOV but the Radian was clearly better in this regard for mine. I will do further critical evaluation on the EOF performance of these eyepieces using some testing double stars over the coming weeks. This testing was also conducted without a paracorr and when seeing permits I will also conduct these tests with a paracorr in the 14"/F4.5 scope.

If you own any of the eyepieces in this review you can take comfort from the fact they are all very good ones with minimal differences between them on bright high contrast targets.

As an aside, whilst I didn't compare the 7mm Pentax XW to any of the 6mm eyepieces on the Moon, as the magnification difference was too great, I did include it in my evaluation on Achernar in terms of its on axis and off axis sharpness of star image, EOF lateral colour on Achernar and internal reflection and scatter control with Achernar just outside the EOF. What I can tell you is that I will not be selling any of my XW's in a hurry.

Stay tuned. Lot's more to follow as we get to some varied and more testing targets. Hopefully these will start to sort out the men from the boys.

I like the new DELOS a lot but I can tell you the 6mm Radian is also impressing me on these bright high contrast targets.

Cheers,
John B
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yzhzhang 发表于 2013-12-20 14:27 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 美国 威斯康星大学麦迪森校区
这么看来radian可以说是价廉物美了。不过zoom还是胜在versatile,所以很久以前出了5mm radian,但是nz3-6一直留到现在。

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versatile要看怎么来说了。NZ视场小,本质上来说就是行星双星专用的,高倍深空或者月面并不适合。仅就这一点来说,versatile还不是很强。而行星的话,一般情况是直接顶到最大倍率,中间那些很少用到。所以,我现在对  详情 回复 发表于 2013-12-20 16:59
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 楼主| ecloud 发表于 2013-12-20 16:07 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 美国 花旗集团
一个老外,新买的TV Delos 6mm,找了个机会跟其它几个6mm目镜做个同场测试,外国人就是好说话,很容易借到了TV NZ 3-6,CZJ(东菜)OR6,还有他自己的TV Radian 6和UO OR6,以及非6mm的几只宾得XW目镜
测试用得镜子也很给力,10寸F5.3,14寸F4.5和18寸F4.5,都是牛反
这几个测试目镜也很有代表性,分别代表了美国两代风格,传统德味风格,传统日本风格和宾得XW风格(这玩意儿从来就自成一派)

第一天天气不好,只用了10寸和14寸镜子,CZJ的OR6也没到。主要看得是月亮。
四个目镜没有很差的
Delos和Radian是使用舒适性最好的(废话)
NZ3-6还算凑合
OR就像预想的一样不太舒服(当然了,眼点近,视场小)
Delos和OU OR是冷色调,NZ和Radian是暖色调(中国人大部分喜欢冷色调)
Delos在测试者自己的使用感觉中,合适的眼点位置不如用Radians和XW更容易找到,可能是太新的目镜不太习惯(我个人感觉XW的眼点适应性是无敌的,前后左右很大一个范围都有100%最佳视觉)
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mywbh 发表于 2013-12-20 16:46 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–河南–平顶山 联通
恩,还是翻译吧,嘿嘿
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 楼主| ecloud 发表于 2013-12-20 16:51 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 美国 花旗集团
第二次测试是重点
他用了2.5小时在10寸牛上
可惜CZJ OR6在10寸牛上不合焦(我怀疑他没有延长桶……)
测试了所有的光学品质,并且用满月测试了一下眩光
几个目镜都相当不错,轴向性能完美,差别很微小
Delos和Radian的差别极其微小,作者长篇大论的其实都在废话
然而NZ和OU OR的消光略微差一点点
在对Achernar(水委一,波江座Alpha,低纬度地区的亮星)测试中,Radian略微好于Delos,当目标刚刚移除视场的瞬间,Radian的眩光控制更好。在离轴90%的情况下,Radian的成像质量都很好;而Delos就差一点,离轴70%开始下降,最后10%已经几乎不可用。不过要考虑到Delos的视野比Radian大了20%

最后作者用XW7也测试了一下Achernar,结果就是,无可匹敌

结论就是,XW是神别比了,Radian并不比Delos差多少甚至还有胜出,NZ和UO的消光略差。Delos的优势大概就是在视野
至于锐度上,根据作者的语言分析,似乎几个测试目标没有可感知的区别,也就是说锐度几乎一样
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 楼主| ecloud 发表于 2013-12-20 16:59 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 美国 花旗集团

versatile要看怎么来说了。NZ视场小,本质上来说就是行星双星专用的,高倍深空或者月面并不适合。仅就这一点来说,versatile还不是很强。而行星的话,一般情况是直接顶到最大倍率,中间那些很少用到。所以,我现在对NZ的用途也很纠结。但就行星高倍使用而言,似乎性价比比日本鬼子的小OR差了很多
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月球的兔子 发表于 2013-12-20 17:57 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–四川–自贡 联通
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小小的男子汉 发表于 2013-12-20 20:43 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–湖南–长沙 电信
几十块钱和一千多的目镜差别都没有我想象的大
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