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[天文观测] 请教:用PAM调极轴碰到的第二个问题——测量重复性

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mayapple 发表于 2014-3-20 09:27 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式 来自: 中国–北京–北京 联通

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最近一直研究如何用PAM调极轴,前几天在PAM的辅助下,将极轴精度调到了接近1角分,本来以为可以结束学习了,没想到昨天碰到了新问题:
1. 用PAM测量分析,调整极轴后,再次测量极轴偏离更多了
2. 怀疑PAM测量的重复性,于是在同一位置反复测量,结果发现每次结果都不同,有时偏差很大,达到了几个角分。在此情况下,根据测量结果调极轴是没有意义的。
3. 检查了赤道仪和主镜、导星镜、导星ccd、三脚架等各个部件的连接紧固程度,锁紧程度,连接都很紧,没发现问题。
4. 在多个起始位置反复测量,结果都是如此。

设备如下:zeq25+cf90+60/240导星镜+asi120mc导星ccd

从PAM记录的LOG中抽取连续三次测量的日志如下:
22:22:47   Start Alignment Run
22:22:47   Plate solve method is PinPoint
22:22:47   Selected catalog is GSC-1.1
22:22:47   Telescope Slew is 6 degrees
22:22:47   Exposure is 6 sec
22:22:47   Telescope at RA = 03:30:14  Dec = 59?59' 19"
22:22:47   ***** Exposing Image 1 *****
22:22:49   Start Solving Plate 1
22:22:51   Step 1: Found 801 objects in image.
22:22:51   Plate Solve Attempt at RA = 03:30:14  Dec = 59?59' 19"
22:22:51   Step 2: Look up catalog stars for area...
22:22:51   Step 2: Found 612 catalog stars in area.
22:22:51   Step 3: Solve the plate...
22:22:52    Solved using 71 stars, average residual is 1.09 arcsec, order =4
22:22:52    Solution took 3.1 seconds
22:22:52    RA = 03h 29m 01.482s  3.48374507
22:22:52    Dec = 59° 56' 19.23"  59.938675
22:22:52    Roll = -0.785 HScale = 3.407 VScale = 3.408 Binning = 1
22:22:52    RA Error = -0.020144
22:22:52    Dec Error = -0.049936
22:22:53   Plate 1 Solved
22:22:53   Plate 1 RA = 03:29:01
22:22:53   Plate 1 Dec = 59?56' 19"
22:23:00   Telescope at RA = 3.10389  Dec = 59.98861
22:23:06   ***** Exposing Image 2 *****
22:23:07   Start Solving Plate 2
22:23:08   Step 1: Found 706 objects in image.
22:23:08   Plate Solve Attempt at RA = 03:05:01  Dec = 59?56' 19"
22:23:08   Step 2: Look up catalog stars for area...
22:23:08   Step 2: Found 612 catalog stars in area.
22:23:08   Step 3: Solve the plate...
22:23:09    Solved using 55 stars, average residual is 1.17 arcsec, order =4
22:23:09    Solution took 2.1 seconds
22:23:09    RA = 03h 05m 04.357s  3.08454365
22:23:09    Dec = 59° 55' 35.33"  59.926480
22:23:09    Roll = -0.860 HScale = 3.406 VScale = 3.407 Binning = 1
22:23:09    RA Error = -0.019345
22:23:09    Dec Error = -0.062131
22:23:10   Plate 2 Solved
22:23:10   Plate 2 RA = 03:05:04
22:23:10   Plate 2 Dec = 59?55' 35"
22:23:18   Telescope at RA = 02:42:14  Dec = 59?59' 19"
22:23:24   ***** Exposing Image 3 *****
22:23:25   Start Solving Plate 3
22:23:26   Step 1: Found 627 objects in image.
22:23:26   Plate Solve Attempt at RA = 02:41:07  Dec = 59?54' 51"
22:23:26   Step 2: Look up catalog stars for area...
22:23:26   Step 2: Found 672 catalog stars in area.
22:23:26   Step 3: Solve the plate...
22:23:27    Solved using 52 stars, average residual is 1.01 arcsec, order =4
22:23:27    Solution took 2.1 seconds
22:23:27    RA = 02h 41m 09.115s  2.68586533
22:23:27    Dec = 59° 54' 58.23"  59.916176
22:23:27    Roll = -0.828 HScale = 3.411 VScale = 3.408 Binning = 1
22:23:27    RA Error = -0.018024
22:23:27    Dec Error = -0.072436
22:23:28   Plate 3 Solved
22:23:28   Plate 3 RA = 02:41:09
22:23:28   Plate 3 Dec = 59?54' 58"
22:23:28   A = 0.0025  C = 1.0000  Theta = 6.2807
22:23:28   Gamma = 0.0024
22:23:28   Elevation error: -8.57 arc-min
22:23:28   Azimuth error: -10.96 arc-min
22:23:28   Error Amplitude = 0.1999 Degrees from Pole (Dec units)
22:23:28   Error Angle = 224.4771 Degrees CCW from Up
22:23:28   RA Offset = -0.0417, Dec Offset = -0.107
22:23:35   Telescope at RA = 3.50389  Dec = 59.98861
22:23:35   Operation stopped by operator
22:23:35   Align Aborted
22:23:41   
22:23:41   Start Alignment Run
22:23:41   Plate solve method is PinPoint
22:23:41   Selected catalog is GSC-1.1
22:23:41   Telescope Slew is 6 degrees
22:23:41   Exposure is 6 sec
22:23:41   Telescope at RA = 03:30:14  Dec = 59?59' 19"
22:23:41   ***** Exposing Image 1 *****
22:23:43   Start Solving Plate 1
22:23:44   Step 1: Found 834 objects in image.
22:23:44   Plate Solve Attempt at RA = 03:30:14  Dec = 59?59' 19"
22:23:44   Step 2: Look up catalog stars for area...
22:23:44   Step 2: Found 612 catalog stars in area.
22:23:44   Step 3: Solve the plate...
22:23:46    Solved using 76 stars, average residual is 1.06 arcsec, order =4
22:23:46    Solution took 2.6 seconds
22:23:46    RA = 03h 28m 58.367s  3.48287984
22:23:46    Dec = 59° 56' 18.23"  59.938397
22:23:46    Roll = -0.811 HScale = 3.408 VScale = 3.411 Binning = 1
22:23:46    RA Error = -0.021009
22:23:46    Dec Error = -0.050214
22:23:47   Plate 1 Solved
22:23:47   Plate 1 RA = 03:28:58
22:23:47   Plate 1 Dec = 59?56' 18"
22:23:53   Telescope at RA = 3.10389  Dec = 59.98861
22:23:59   ***** Exposing Image 2 *****
22:24:01   Start Solving Plate 2
22:24:02   Step 1: Found 768 objects in image.
22:24:02   Plate Solve Attempt at RA = 03:04:58  Dec = 59?56' 18"
22:24:02   Step 2: Look up catalog stars for area...
22:24:02   Step 2: Found 610 catalog stars in area.
22:24:02   Step 3: Solve the plate...
22:24:03    Solved using 60 stars, average residual is 1.34 arcsec, order =4
22:24:03    Solution took 1.8 seconds
22:24:03    RA = 03h 05m 04.650s  3.08462512
22:24:03    Dec = 59° 55' 34.90"  59.926361
22:24:03    Roll = -0.882 HScale = 3.412 VScale = 3.402 Binning = 1
22:24:03    RA Error = -0.019264
22:24:03    Dec Error = -0.062250
22:24:04   Plate 2 Solved
22:24:04   Plate 2 RA = 03:05:05
22:24:04   Plate 2 Dec = 59?55' 35"
22:24:12   Telescope at RA = 02:42:14  Dec = 59?59' 19"
22:24:17   ***** Exposing Image 3 *****
22:24:19   Start Solving Plate 3
22:24:20   Step 1: Found 633 objects in image.
22:24:20   Plate Solve Attempt at RA = 02:41:11  Dec = 59?54' 52"
22:24:20   Step 2: Look up catalog stars for area...
22:24:20   Step 2: Found 670 catalog stars in area.
22:24:20   Step 3: Solve the plate...
22:24:21    Solved using 54 stars, average residual is 1.25 arcsec, order =4
22:24:21    Solution took 2.3 seconds
22:24:21    RA = 02h 41m 09.893s  2.68608132
22:24:21    Dec = 59° 54' 54.60"  59.915167
22:24:21    Roll = -0.882 HScale = 3.416 VScale = 3.417 Binning = 1
22:24:21    RA Error = -0.017808
22:24:21    Dec Error = -0.073444
22:24:22   Plate 3 Solved
22:24:22   Plate 3 RA = 02:41:10
22:24:22   Plate 3 Dec = 59?54' 55"
22:24:22   A = 0.0022  C = 1.0000  Theta = 6.2810
22:24:22   Gamma = 0.0009
22:24:23   Elevation error: -7.41 arc-min
22:24:23   Azimuth error: -3.88 arc-min
22:24:23   Error Amplitude = 0.1330 Degrees from Pole (Dec units)
22:24:23   Error Angle = 201.8811 Degrees CCW from Up
22:24:23   RA Offset = 0.0312, Dec Offset = -0.013
22:24:30   Telescope at RA = 3.50389  Dec = 59.98861
22:26:27   Operation stopped by operator
22:26:27   Align Aborted
22:26:28   
22:26:28   Start Alignment Run
22:26:28   Plate solve method is PinPoint
22:26:28   Selected catalog is GSC-1.1
22:26:28   Telescope Slew is 6 degrees
22:26:28   Exposure is 6 sec
22:26:28   Telescope at RA = 03:30:14  Dec = 59?59' 19"
22:26:28   ***** Exposing Image 1 *****
22:26:31   Start Solving Plate 1
22:26:32   Step 1: Found 960 objects in image.
22:26:32   Plate Solve Attempt at RA = 03:30:14  Dec = 59?59' 19"
22:26:32   Step 2: Look up catalog stars for area...
22:26:32   Step 2: Found 612 catalog stars in area.
22:26:32   Step 3: Solve the plate...
22:26:34    Solved using 81 stars, average residual is 1.08 arcsec, order =4
22:26:34    Solution took 3.1 seconds
22:26:34    RA = 03h 29m 00.442s  3.48345607
22:26:34    Dec = 59° 56' 14.85"  59.937458
22:26:34    Roll = -0.826 HScale = 3.409 VScale = 3.411 Binning = 1
22:26:34    RA Error = -0.020433
22:26:34    Dec Error = -0.051153
22:26:35   Plate 1 Solved
22:26:35   Plate 1 RA = 03:29:00
22:26:35   Plate 1 Dec = 59?56' 15"
22:26:42   Telescope at RA = 3.10389  Dec = 59.98861
22:26:48   ***** Exposing Image 2 *****
22:26:49   Start Solving Plate 2
22:26:50   Step 1: Found 711 objects in image.
22:26:50   Plate Solve Attempt at RA = 03:05:00  Dec = 59?56' 15"
22:26:50   Step 2: Look up catalog stars for area...
22:26:50   Step 2: Found 613 catalog stars in area.
22:26:50   Step 3: Solve the plate...
22:26:51    Solved using 74 stars, average residual is 1.35 arcsec, order =4
22:26:51    Solution took 2.2 seconds
22:26:51    RA = 03h 05m 03.571s  3.08432521
22:26:51    Dec = 59° 55' 32.13"  59.925592
22:26:51    Roll = -0.759 HScale = 3.410 VScale = 3.408 Binning = 1
22:26:51    RA Error = -0.019564
22:26:52    Dec Error = -0.063019
22:26:53   Plate 2 Solved
22:26:53   Plate 2 RA = 03:05:04
22:26:53   Plate 2 Dec = 59?55' 32"
22:27:00   Telescope at RA = 02:42:14  Dec = 59?59' 19"
22:27:06   ***** Exposing Image 3 *****
22:27:07   Start Solving Plate 3
22:27:08   Step 1: Found 660 objects in image.
22:27:08   Plate Solve Attempt at RA = 02:41:07  Dec = 59?54' 49"
22:27:08   Step 2: Look up catalog stars for area...
22:27:08   Step 2: Found 672 catalog stars in area.
22:27:08   Step 3: Solve the plate...
22:27:09    Solved using 46 stars, average residual is 1.07 arcsec, order =4
22:27:09    Solution took 2.4 seconds
22:27:09    RA = 02h 41m 10.253s  2.68618140
22:27:09    Dec = 59° 54' 53.35"  59.914820
22:27:09    Roll = -0.877 HScale = 3.414 VScale = 3.415 Binning = 1
22:27:09    RA Error = -0.017707
22:27:09    Dec Error = -0.073792
22:27:10   Plate 3 Solved
22:27:10   Plate 3 RA = 02:41:10
22:27:10   Plate 3 Dec = 59?54' 53"
22:27:10   A = 0.0022  C = 1.0000  Theta = 6.2809
22:27:10   Gamma = 0.0012
22:27:11   Elevation error: -7.69 arc-min
22:27:11   Azimuth error: -5.18 arc-min
22:27:11   Error Amplitude = 0.1443 Degrees from Pole (Dec units)
22:27:11   Error Angle = 207.3293 Degrees CCW from Up
22:27:11   RA Offset = -0.0777, Dec Offset = -0.034
22:27:17   Telescope at RA = 3.50389  Dec = 59.98861
22:28:14   Operation stopped by operator
22:28:14   Align Aborted

从日志中可以看出,三次测量的极轴误差分别是:
(1) Elevation error: -8.57 arc-min,Azimuth error: -10.96 arc-min
(2) Elevation error: -7.41 arc-min Azimuth error: -3.88 arc-min
(3) Elevation error: -7.69 arc-min  Azimuth error: -5.18 arc-min

可见结果的重复性很差。

请PAM的高手帮我分析分析这是怎么回事?另外,昨晚风比较大,大概有4级,我是在阳台里测量的,器材本身受风的影响不大,但是视宁度较差,和这个有关系吗?

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主镜:Skywatcher DOB12,Sharpstar CF90ii;赤道仪:iOpotron Zeq25;相机:Nikon D7100;导星:QHY5L-II-M,ASI120MM
northwolfwu 发表于 2014-3-20 17:38 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–江苏–南京 电信
Telescope at RA = 03:30:14  Dec = 59?59' 19"
不要用靠近北极星位置的天区,最好的位置是中大陆南靠东面,一般我是取仰角40~60度,水平角在140~160度附近的亮星作为初始位置。
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 楼主| mayapple 发表于 2014-3-21 02:41 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–海南–海口 移动
谢谢,主要是在阳台里角度受限制,明天我出去试试

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能看到北极星的话还是用极轴镜对极轴,精度也不错,对于短焦绰绰有余了。  详情 回复 发表于 2014-3-21 08:58
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northwolfwu 发表于 2014-3-21 08:58 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–江苏–南京 电信
mayapple 发表于 2014-3-21 02:41
谢谢,主要是在阳台里角度受限制,明天我出去试试

能看到北极星的话还是用极轴镜对极轴,精度也不错,对于短焦绰绰有余了。

点评

我的赤道仪是zeq25,用极轴镜的话,有时候很准,导星精度很高,有时候不准,没查明白为什么,所以才想试试别的方法来提高精度。 再问您一个问题,我仔细看了上面的PAM日志后,发现测试时,三次曝光的过程中,每次RA  详情 回复 发表于 2014-3-21 09:53
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 楼主| mayapple 发表于 2014-3-21 09:53 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–北京–北京 联通
northwolfwu 发表于 2014-3-21 08:58
能看到北极星的话还是用极轴镜对极轴,精度也不错,对于短焦绰绰有余了。 ...

我的赤道仪是zeq25,用极轴镜的话,有时候很准,导星精度很高,有时候不准,没查明白为什么,所以才想试试别的方法来提高精度。
再问您一个问题,我仔细看了上面的PAM日志后,发现测试时,三次曝光的过程中,每次RA减小十度后,DEC也有微小的变化,每次减小了0.01度,PAM程序里应该不会控制DEC减小吧?我想可能是赤道仪本身机械刚度的问题?dec的变化会不会影响测试结果?想查找PAM的算法,没找到,所以请您帮着分析分析。

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实际的DEC有变化(pinpoint解析)就对了,因为极轴存在误差。  详情 回复 发表于 2014-3-21 11:41
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northwolfwu 发表于 2014-3-21 11:41 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–江苏–南京 电信
mayapple 发表于 2014-3-21 09:53
我的赤道仪是zeq25,用极轴镜的话,有时候很准,导星精度很高,有时候不准,没查明白为什么,所以才想试 ...

实际的DEC有变化(pinpoint解析)就对了,因为极轴存在误差。

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对对,明白了  详情 回复 发表于 2014-3-21 12:06
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 楼主| mayapple 发表于 2014-3-21 12:06 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–北京–北京 联通
northwolfwu 发表于 2014-3-21 11:41
实际的DEC有变化(pinpoint解析)就对了,因为极轴存在误差。

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