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positron 发表于 2011-9-27 20:12 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式 来自: 中国–浙江–杭州 电信

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本帖最后由 positron 于 2011-9-27 20:12 编辑

这篇新闻翻译的可谓超级烂,译者是一个完全的大外行,把中微子这个早就确定的名称译成微中子。翻译虽烂,不过感觉很有必要转一下,有必要给众多为新的大发现欢呼的人浇点冷水。
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核心提示:几天前,参与Opera实验的物理学家宣布他们在实验中发现微中子的速度超过光速。如果得到证实,作为物理学基石的爱因斯坦相对论将面临挑战,物理学的历史也将从此改写。但由于这一发现尚未最终得到证实,科学家还应该抱着一种慎之又慎的态度。

网易探索9月27日报道 过去,只有谣言的传播速度能够超过光速。现在,似乎还有一种物质的速度超过光速,这就是微中子。几天前,参与Opera实验的物理学家宣布他们在实验中发现微中子的速度超过光速。如果得到证实,作为物理学基石的爱因斯坦相对论将面临挑战,物理学的历史也将从此改写。但由于这一发现尚未最终得到证实,科学家还应该抱着一种慎之又慎的态度。

微中子超光速?
9月23日,整个物理学界的目光投向法国里昂核物理研究所的达里奥·奥蒂耶罗身上。当时,奥蒂耶罗当着一群心存怀疑的物理学家的面,介绍一个全新的“速度怪兽”——亚原子粒子微中子。根据他描述的最近进行的一项实验,微中子的速度超过光速。1905年,爱因斯坦的相对论将光速定为宇宙速度极限。

奥蒂耶罗的研究小组表示,日内瓦欧洲核子研究组织(以下简称CERN)一台粒子加速器发射的微中子以超过光速的速度抵达意大利格兰萨索的一个地下实验室,二者之间的距离为454英里(约合730公里)。计算结果显示微中子的速度比光快60纳秒(1纳秒等于10亿分之一秒)。奥蒂耶罗对CERN的物理学家表示:“我们无法用系统误差解释这一发现。测算结果表明微中子的速度超过光速。”

据奥蒂耶罗透露,他的研究小组用了6个月时间试图解释微中子超光速的发现,但最终以无果告终。鉴于这一发现将撼动物理学的基石,试图用任何理论解释这一实验结果都是一种不适当的做法。他说:“今天,我们只是将这一异常发现告诉你们。”

在爱因斯坦描绘的物理世界,光速是一切物质的速度极限。超光速意味着时间旅行将成为一种可能,但这又是绝大多数物理学家认为的不可能之事。一个世纪以来,爱因斯坦的相对论一次又一次得到验证。已故康奈尔大学天文学家卡尔·萨根曾说过:“非凡的结论需要非凡的证据。”CERN理论家阿尔瓦罗·德·鲁尤拉表示:“这是一项令人震惊的结论。我们应该自问什么地方出现纰漏,这才是一种正确的态度。”

大多数人不相信
在获知这一结论之后,CERN的物理学家陷入极大兴奋之中。麻省理工学院的诺贝尔奖得主丁肇中向他们通过非常仔细的研究工作取得的发现表示祝贺。但在兴奋过后,持怀疑论者也提出了一系列有关细节方面的疑问。例如,这些科学家如何在测量CERN与格兰萨索实验室之间的距离时精确到20厘米?如何将GPS数据扩展到地下?在此过程中,他们是否考虑月球位置以及地壳上的潮汐活动等因素?

最近的物理学和天文学历史出现了大量可疑数据的报告,认为可能存在新粒子或者新行星,如果得到验证,将改变我们对世界的认知,但随着更多相关数据的出现或者在进行仔细检验之后,这些结论土崩瓦解。绝大多数物理学家认为微中子超光速的这一发现也会迎来同样的命运。
微中子仍是宇宙中的一个迷团。它们是诡异的亚原子世界中最怪异的“居民”之一。这种亚原子并不可见,能够穿透墙壁和行星,就像风穿过屏门一样。此外,它们的形态也会发生变化。微中子有3种形态,能够在移动时从一种形态变成另一种形态。

揭秘实验过程
奥蒂耶罗和他的同事试图在实验中对这种现象进行观测。他们进行的大型微中子震荡实验Opera共有来自11个国家的160名物理学家参与,主要来自日本和意大利。Opera实验立基于格兰萨索实验室,这是一个地下物理学实验中心,进行需要屏蔽宇宙射线的实验。

整个实验从CERN一座建筑内的一罐氢气开始。来自这个罐子的氢原子被剥离电子,成为裸质子,而后借助一系列粒子加速器加速,最近进入大型强子对撞机的主环。形象地说,大型强子对撞机就是所有这些粒子加速器的母亲。在Opera实验中,一些质子的能量状态变成居间能量态,以10微秒脉冲的形式轰击一个石墨目标,产生脉冲介子。介子随后衰变成微中子,微中子朝着格兰萨索的方向消失在地球中,最后抵达格兰萨索实验室的微中子穿过铅砖和照相乳剂。

从理论上说,在这段用时几毫秒的旅途中,一些微中子会从μ介子微中子变成τ介子微中子。Opera实验的目标就是研究这种形态变化。3年时间里,研究人员在探测器的帮助下记录下大约1.6万个微中子,但其中的τ介子微中子只有一个。伯尔尼大学的安东尼奥·埃雷迪塔托表示,测量微中子速度只是一个次要目的。他说:“我们希望发现一些τ介子微中子,以博得观众的掌声。”

被指“世纪谣言”
过去,科学家使用邮寄方式彼此寄送期刊文章和信件,对存在争议的测量结果进行检验的过程往往都在悄无声息中进行。现在,互联网改变了这一切。随着奥蒂耶罗在CERN的讲话和Opera实验组的一篇文章在网上出现,顿时谣言四起,博客上也出现大量帖子,一篇博客将其称之为“世纪谣言”。

CERN以及外界的一些物理学家对整个过程感到不满,他们指出意大利实验室为一项尚未得到证实的实验结果增加了太多砝码,而进行这项实验的研究小组并非隶属于CERN。普林斯顿高等研究院的粒子理论学家尼玛·阿卡尼-哈默德在电子邮件中说:“在进行更多研究工作以验证这一发现前,根本没有必要公布新闻稿或者相关科学论文。他们自称希望物理学界对他们的实验结果进行检验。即使抱着这样一种想法,他们也应该采取其他更谨慎的方式,比如召集同行展开讨论。”

CERN负责人罗尔夫·迪特尔·霍耶尔表示:“我比较赞同在CERN举行研讨会的做法,因为CERN有责任提供协助,请求物理学界的同行对他们的发现进行详细评估。”2007年,物理学家就曾通过Minos(主注入器微中子振荡搜寻实验的英文缩写)实验测量微中子的速度。伦敦大学学院的詹妮·托马斯说,Minos实验能够在4到6个月时间内进行更为精确的测量。她在提到Opera实验组时指出:“他们尽了自己的最大努力。我们将重新进行实验以检验他们的发现。”(来源:《纽约时报》 编译:shooter)

http://discover.news.163.com/11/0927/09/7EUTG48T000125LI.html



 楼主| positron 发表于 2011-9-27 20:23 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–浙江–杭州 电信

After Report on Speed, a Rush of Scrutiny

      这是纽约时报的原文。

By DENNIS OVERBYEPublished: September 23, 2011   
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The world was watching as scientists announced that neutrinos from the CERN laboratory had raced to an Italian site faster than it would take a light beam.

Once upon a time, the only thing that traveled faster than the speed of light was gossip.

Thanks to the Internet, the whole physics world was watching on Friday when Dario Autiero, of the Institut de Physique Nucléaire de Lyon in France, in front of a palpably skeptical roomful of physicists, put a whole new category of speed demons on the table, namely the shadowy subatomic particles known as neutrinos. He was describing a recent experiment in which neutrinos were clocked going faster than the speed of light, the cosmic speed limit set by Albert Einstein in his theory of relativity back in 1905.


According to Dr. Autiero’s team, neutrinos emanating from a particle accelerator at CERN, outside Geneva, had raced to a cavern underneath Gran Sasso in Italy — a distance of 454 miles — about 60 nanoseconds faster than it would take a light beam. That amounts to a speed greater than light by about 25 parts in a million.


“We cannot explain the observed effect in terms of systematic uncertainties,” Dr. Autiero told the physicists at CERN, the European organization for nuclear research. “Therefore, the measurement indicates a neutrino velocity higher than the speed of light.”


Dr. Autiero said his group had spent six months trying to explain away the result, but could not do it. Given the stakes for physics, he said, it would not be proper to attempt any sort of theoretical interpretation of the results. “We present to you this discrepancy or anomaly today,” he said.


The purported effect sounds slight, but to be even slightly on the wrong side of the speed of light is forbidden in the world that Einstein described. Faster-than-light travel can also lead to the possibility of time travel, something that most physicists do not believe is possible.


Relativity has been tested over and over again for a century, and as Carl Sagan, the late Cornell astronomer, liked to say: extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. “This is quite a shake-up,” said Alvaro de Rujula, a theorist at CERN. “The correct attitude is to ask oneself what went wrong.”


And the assembled CERN physicists were only too happy to oblige, diving in, after Samuel C. C. Ting, an M.I.T. Nobelist in the audience, offered his congratulations for work “very carefully done.” They asked detailed questions about, among other things, how the scientists had measured the distance from CERN to Gran Sasso to what is claimed to be an accuracy of 20 centimeters, extending GPS measurements underground. Had they, for example taken into account the location of the Moon and tidal bulges in the Earth’s crust?


The recent history of physics and astronomy is strewn with reports of suspicious data bumps that might be new particles or new planets and — if true — could change the way we think about the world, but then disappear with more data or critical scrutiny. Most physicists think the same will happen with this finding. The prevailing attitude was perhaps illustrated best by an XKCD cartoon, in which a character explains his intention to get rich betting against the new discovery.


Neutrinos are still a cosmic mystery. They are among the weirdest denizens of the weird quantum subatomic world. Not only are they virtually invisible and able to sail through walls and planets like wind through a screen door, but they are shape-shifters. They come in three varieties and can morph from one form to another as they travel along, an effect Dr. Autiero and his colleagues were trying to observe.


Their experiment, known clunkily as Oscillation Project with Emulsion-Tracking Apparatus, or Opera, is a collaboration of 160 physicists from 11 countries, primarily Japan and Italy. It is based at the Gran Sasso laboratory, a center for underground physics experiments that need sheltering from cosmic rays.


The action begins in a tank of hydrogen gas inside a building at CERN. Atoms in puffs of gas from the tank get stripped of their electrons, becoming naked protons, and then get sent on a Coney Island-style speed ride through a series of particle accelerators, eventually winding up in the main ring of the Large Hadron Collider — the mother of all particle accelerators.


For the Opera experiment, some of the protons are siphoned off at an intermediate energy and slammed in pulses 10 microseconds long into a graphite target, where they produce a pulse of lesser particles called mesons. The mesons in turn decay into neutrinos, which then disappear into the Earth in the direction of Gran Sasso. There, the arriving neutrinos run into an assemblage of lead bricks and photographic emulsion.


In theory, during the trip, which takes a few milliseconds, some of the neutrinos should shape-shift from a variety known as muon neutrinos to tau neutrinos. The goal of the Opera experiments was to study this transformation: In three years, the researchers have recorded some 16,000 neutrinos in their detector, but only one tau neutrino.


Measuring the speed of the neutrinos was only a side ambition, explained Antonio Ereditato of the University of Bern, the head of the Opera collaboration. “Now it is becoming a main issue,” he said, adding, “we would like to see some tau neutrinos,” to appreciative laughter from the audience.


In the old days, when scientists sent around copies of journal articles and wrote letters to one another, the process of scrutiny of a controversial measurement could have happened quietly, but the Web has changed all that. Dr. Autiero’s talk at CERN and the appearance of a paper by the Opera group on the Internet Thursday night came at the end of a drumbeat of rumors and blog postings. One blog called it “Rumour of the Century.”        
Some physicists, inside and outside of CERN, were critical of this process, saying the laboratory was giving too much weight to a premature result by a group that was not even part of CERN.


Nima Arkani-Hamed, a particle theorist at the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton, said in an e-mail, “There was no need for a press release or indeed even for a scientific paper, till much more work was done. They claim that they wanted the community to scrutinize their result — well, they could have accomplished that by going around and giving talks about it.”


Rolf-Dieter Heuer, director general of CERN, said in an e-mail from Spain, “I agreed to the seminar at CERN because it is the duty of a lab like CERN to give the collaboration the possibility to ask the community for scrutiny of their findings.”


The scrutiny is surely coming.


An earlier measurement of neutrino speeds was performed by a collaboration known as Minos, for Main Injector Neutrino Oscillation Search, in 2007. Jenny Thomas of University College London, said the Minos experiment would be able to do a more precise measurement in four to six months.


“They’ve done their best,” Professor Thomas said of the Opera group. “The light’s going to shine on us now while we repeat our experiment.”


http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/24/science/24speed.html?ref=science

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scorpio_tiger 发表于 2011-9-27 20:45 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–广东–深圳 电信
关注!
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太空迷 发表于 2011-9-27 21:27 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–广东–江门 电信
谁能简单说下。。。。看着头晕。。。。
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cccp123 发表于 2011-9-27 22:18 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–四川–达州 联通
国人普遍的科学素养实在是非常之低下,人浮于事,加上新闻噱头 炒作 无知等等一起媾和 让这种“爆炸性”消息频发啊   大胆假设 小心求证
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polrbear 发表于 2011-9-27 22:33 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–安徽–合肥 教育网/CERNET教育网/中国科学技术大学
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polrbear 发表于 2011-9-27 22:36 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–安徽–合肥 教育网/CERNET教育网/中国科学技术大学
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gzljh96 发表于 2011-9-27 22:44 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–广东–广州 电信
慢慢来......别着急......慢慢验证......
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 楼主| positron 发表于 2011-9-27 22:52 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–浙江–杭州 电信
polrbear 发表于 2011-9-27 22:33
外国人不也一样?其实这也是人的天性。而且最讽刺的是,连指出这种现象的文章,其所用标题都带有这种 ...

这个新闻还是说了些东西的,只是对你来说什么都没说而已。
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polrbear 发表于 2011-9-27 22:57 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–安徽–合肥 教育网/CERNET教育网/中国科学技术大学
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mf2000 发表于 2011-9-27 23:02 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–甘肃–金昌 电信
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neokoji 发表于 2011-9-28 08:57 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–上海–上海 漕河泾科技网IDC机房
现在看来说什么也太早,需要重复实验验证
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yuansoul 发表于 2011-9-28 09:26 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–天津–天津 联通
民主国家怎么能够出现学术造假呢,

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学术造假跟民主不民主有嘛关系?美国照样存在学术造假。前几年棒子的那个造假案还不够厉害?  详情 回复 发表于 2011-9-28 11:46
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kdj2100 发表于 2011-9-28 09:34 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–安徽–滁州 电信
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 楼主| positron 发表于 2011-9-28 11:46 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–浙江–杭州 华数宽带
本帖最后由 positron 于 2011-9-28 11:47 编辑
yuansoul 发表于 2011-9-28 09:26
民主国家怎么能够出现学术造假呢,

学术造假跟民主不民主有嘛关系?而且,这个结果跟造假也没关系。美国照样存在学术造假。前几年棒子的那个造假案还不够厉害?

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不过感觉上比国内要少得多,而且出现这种情况很容易被揭露。  详情 回复 发表于 2011-9-28 12:12
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空中小屋 发表于 2011-9-28 11:52 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–安徽–淮南 电信
我觉得楼主的标题太过夸张
有点攻击性
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超越光速 发表于 2011-9-28 12:12 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–江苏–苏州 电信
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超越光速 发表于 2011-9-28 12:17 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–江苏–苏州 电信
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蓝色快龙 发表于 2011-9-28 12:45 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–河北–唐山 电信
对于中微子超光速我并不感到十分吃惊,毕竟中微子虽然发现但和暗物质一样神秘,而且之前有过超越光速的现象(群光子神马的,翻翻旧帖去,好像没沉几个星期吧)但是就意义而言,我感觉不大,不仅因为中微子的可控性极低的特性而产生误差的存在,还在于中微子能否带有信息,再退一步说,即使带有信息,我们使用中微子就现在而言还是两小儿辩日
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liaoxiaojin 发表于 2011-9-28 12:46 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–重庆–重庆 移动
超越光速 发表于 2011-9-28 12:17
尽管我的用户名与超光速有关,不过我的看法是,光速极限论的确是我们宇宙的某种“宇宙法则”,所以通常情况 ...

你说那些只是你一人的想象罢了。而且你说那些有点疯狂。

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过奖了,我可没有那样的想象力,我也是参照不少别人的说法。  详情 回复 发表于 2011-9-29 00:06
他说的并不疯狂,但一点道理没有  详情 回复 发表于 2011-9-28 12:50
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