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 楼主| meteorobs 发表于 2011-1-8 19:13 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–天津–天津 电信
发信人: timematter (Tiuta), 信区: MilitaryView
标  题: 美军宣布下周在冲绳部署15架F-22隐形战机
发信站: 水木社区 (Sat Jan  8 18:42:26 2011), 站内

中新网1月8日电 据共同社报道,美国空军7日宣布,将于下周晚些时候在日本冲绳县的美
军嘉手纳基地临时部署15架最先进的隐形战斗机F-22A“猛禽”。

报道称,这将是2007年以来,美军第5次在冲绳临时部署F-22战机,这次部署期间为4个
月。

这15架F-22战机隶属阿拉斯加州的美军基地。美国空军表示,此次临时部署“是为了突出
美国对于重要伙伴日本(的防务)的参与,展现确保整个太平洋地区稳定与安全的决心”。

据介绍,F-22战斗机可实现超音速巡航,并具有难以被雷达捕捉的隐身性。
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 楼主| meteorobs 发表于 2011-1-8 19:16 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–天津–天津 电信
发信人: DreamRacer (dreamracer), 信区: MilitaryView
标  题: 超视距空战:中国新歼-10能打赢F-16E么?
发信站: 水木社区 (Sat Jan  8 16:43:46 2011), 站内

http://www.1n0.net/Article/wqzh/28457.html

比拼

  决定战斗机BVR能力的因素大致有以下三个方面:

  1、信息获取能力:包括来自外部的支援和自身的雷达探测能力;

  2、隐身能力:严格的讲应该说是低可探测性水平;

  3、武备水平:即装备的中远距空空导弹的技术水平;

  信息获取能力

  简单的讲,空战中最主要的信息支援就来自于己方的预警机,而这恰恰又是我
军和美军之间最大的差距所在!美军的E-3系列预警机已经装备部队多年,与其配
套的数据链等各种子系统也已全部成熟,并经历过海湾战争等多次战争的实战检验
,而我军的空警-2000至今尚未完全形成作战能力,此消彼长之下,让我们的“猛
龙”在这场较量中一开始就处于了一个信息不对称的被动地位。

  接下来再看战机本身的信息获取能力,也就是机载雷达的水平。

  F-16E/F采用的机载雷达为AN/APG-80先进捷变波束有源相控阵雷达,该雷达系
由F-22“猛禽”上的AN/APG-77改进而来,根据美方公布的数据,其探测距离比
F-16I安装的AN/APG-68(V)9合成孔径雷达大2倍,对RCS=3的目标探测距离超过
150公里,APG-80雷达具有先进的对空和对地两种工作模式,可以连续搜索和跟踪
出现在它扫描范围内的多个目标。具有高清晰度合成孔径雷达成像能力。对地分辨
率为0.61米,可探测90公里外的小型巡航导弹和隐型飞机,雷达的可靠性也比传统
的机械扫描雷达高2倍。


  根据网上流传的信息,歼-10采用的雷达应为南京14所的国产雷达,该雷达为
一型技术较为成熟的PD雷达,采用机械稍描,在技术水平上和F-16C/D上使用的
AN/APG-68相当,在探测距离、可靠性等主要指标上和AN/APG-80都存在着代差。

  低可探测性

  “猛龙”与“沙漠隼”均属于第三代战机范畴,在两机的设计理念上,都还没
有把隐身能力放到一个特别重要的位置,和F-22/35那种在设计之初就已经把低可
探测能力纳入总体规划的第四代战机相比,两者都是先天不足。

  和“沙漠隼”相比,“猛龙”的机体更小,相对的拥有了较低的RCS水平,但
“沙漠隼”在机载雷达上的优势又抵消了“猛龙”的这一优势,因此,在低可探测
性上,双方可以算作是旗鼓相当。

  机载武备

  “沙漠隼”采用的超视距空空导弹只有AIM-120C5一种,和AIM-120系列的早期
型号相比,该型导弹最大的变化就是进一步改进了火箭发动机,增长了药柱,最大
公里射程从C4的70公里进一步提高到100公里以上。同时,在导引头、数据链传输
等方面也有了一定的改进。


AIM-120C5最大的优势就是“成熟”

  和“沙漠隼”相比,“猛龙”所能使用的中距弹型号要多一些,包括俄制
R-27/77和国产的PL-12等。


PL-12的可靠性让无法让人满意

  但在这三种中距弹中,R-27在技术水平上还属于落后一代的半主动型号,而
R-77虽然号称技术水平和AIM-120旗鼓相当,但从我国空军的实际使用效果来看,
它同样不能算是一种让人放心的武器。至于PL-12,不久前传出的空军拒收首批该
弹批量生产型的消息,让我们不由得为该弹的前途又捏了一把汗!而“猛龙”也由
此陷入了一种近乎无弹可用的尴尬境地。

  三、简评:胜负未定


歼-10仍有相当的改进潜力

  上面我们从信息获取、机载武备等几个方面对“猛龙”和“沙漠隼”的BVR能
力进行了一个简单的比拼。坦率的说,从目前的技术水平看,我们的“猛龙”基本
还不具备在BVR空战中与“沙漠隼”正面较量的能力!但这一切并非绝对,和“沙
漠隼”相比,“猛龙”并不存在同F-22之间那样不可逾越的代差,如果我们能在短
时间内在机载雷达、中距弹以及预警机等机载设备和配套系统上实现跨越式发展的
话,经过重新武装的“加强版猛龙”完全可以同“沙漠隼”放手一搏!

  一切都不能等待,只争朝夕!与其幻想通过所谓的“飞的更高”的歼-8F来对
抗F-22,我们不如塌下心来踏踏实实的解决自己在子系统上的代差问题。那才是我
们提升自己空军战斗力的真正出路!
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zxpkxq 发表于 2011-1-8 19:18 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–浙江–杭州 电信
回复 7# 后心发冷


    后心兄也是军迷呀,航空和望远镜一直是我的两大爱好
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 楼主| meteorobs 发表于 2011-1-8 19:19 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–天津–天津 电信
发信人: alarm (五毛五分五麻袋,来者不拒), 信区: MilitaryPic
标  题: 树上打望(ZZ)
发信站: 水木社区 (Fri Jan  7 18:05:34 2011), 站内


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 楼主| meteorobs 发表于 2011-1-8 19:21 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–天津–天津 电信
发信人: pole (bbs), 信区: MilitaryPic
标  题: 判断发动机型号用的高清大图
发信站: 水木社区 (Fri Jan  7 19:31:34 2011), 站内

飞机在11点钟方向

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 楼主| meteorobs 发表于 2011-1-8 19:42 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–天津–天津 电信
发信人: killerwhale (海中之王), 信区: Picture
标  题: 四代现场出现人类返祖现象
发信站: 水木社区 (Sat Jan  8 09:35:40 2011), 站内

返祖现象.jpg
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zxpkxq 发表于 2011-1-8 19:47 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–浙江–杭州 电信
J-20有两处另人感到不解,一是用了鸭式前翼,这对雷达隐形很不利,美国人也对鸭式前翼进行过研究,最后得出结论,鸭式布局最好装在别人的飞机上,J-20上使用这种布局主要还是为了机动性吧,必竞中国从70年代就开始研究鸭冀,在J-10上也使用过,算是成熟技术吧。还有一处就是用IDS进气道,这是一种固定式进气道,虽然结构简单,重量上也轻,不过进气量固定,无法支持两倍音速飞行,一般用在轻型飞机上,用在重型战机上不合适吧。还有就是机体偏大,对隐形和机动性也有一定影响吧。不过全动式双垂尾,推力矢量发动机还是让人眼前一亮,看来中国也是做了不少预研的,不过从和T-50的相似来看不会是巧合吧,最让人担心的还是发动机,航空强国,动力为本,在太行还没有成熟的情况下要搞F119级别的大推,难度和风险极高,如果能如期搞成,她的意义将超过两弹一星和载人航天的总合。
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 楼主| meteorobs 发表于 2011-1-9 16:51 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–天津–天津 电信
LS的疑问其实不难解答,第一隐身飞机需要的技术要求更高,目前只有美国的技术比较成熟,连俄罗斯都是最近几年才有所进展,我国新一代战斗机把重点放在机动性上是处于我国国情的考虑,鸭式布局的研究从歼-9就开始做了,基础比较好。至于是不是推力矢量发动机现在还不好说,只有真正的原型机亮相后才能知道,当年俄罗斯先后试飞的S-37和1.44上都没有装配矢量喷口。。。去年首飞的T-50看起来也只是个大号模型,发动机仍需要进一步发展。。。
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qqq111 发表于 2011-1-9 18:20 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–甘肃–兰州 电信
——这飞机很酷呵,但愿是真的......
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 楼主| meteorobs 发表于 2011-1-9 18:21 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–天津–天津 电信
中国先进武器接连曝光 美国质疑解放军操作能力

来源:环球时报-环球网

2011年01月09日10:18 本报特约记者 唐 庆 王 玮 陶 磊

  反航母弹道导弹、隐身战斗机、即将服役的航母……这些所谓“中国先进武器”最近被吃惊的西方媒体反复挂在嘴边。中国军事实力到底如何,西方一直存在两种极端的看法:要么鼓吹“中国威胁论”,要么说解放军仍是“落后的部队”。最近有关中国新武器的热炒似乎证明美国情报部门之前对中国先进武器的发展存在低估,但他们又开始从另一个角度提出新的质疑:多家美国媒体5日表示,解放军是否有能力使用这些复杂武器值得怀疑。

  美国《星条旗报》称,美国防长盖茨即将访问北京之际,中国披露了两种先进武器,分别是反航母弹道导弹和隐身战斗机的原型机,“但问题是中国能有效使用它们吗?”报道援引美国海军作战部副部长、情报部门负责人德赛特的话说,看来之前美国的确低估了中国武器系统的数量以及生产的速度,但这并不值得大惊小怪,他如今更关注中国将如何运用这些装备。德赛特5日在接受采访时表示,中国的新型反航母导弹具有强大能力,甚至可能已经实战部署,但他质疑“中国能否使用这些导弹武器和相关的庞大情报系统”。德赛特说,“中国军事能力到底处于什么水平,我们不得而知,但我认为他们自己也不知道”。“因为中国没有完整的情报、监视和侦察能力,也没有实用的反潜能力,中国从来没能验证过一次复杂联合作战行动。”《星条旗报》称,在最受关注的中国反航母弹道导弹问题上,太平洋司令部司令威拉德认为,中国在“操作能打击航母的中程导弹领域处于初级阶段”。虽然美海军对于美国驱逐舰和巡洋舰上的宙斯盾系统能否击落中国反航母导弹的疑问保持沉默,但美国《防务新闻》5日宣称,按照美国情报部门提供的信息,中国还从未使用这种导弹攻击水面移动目标。至于中国歼-20隐身战斗机,盖茨曾预言这种飞机在2020年前不会成为美国威胁。德赛特认为,现在讨论中国战斗机是否是威胁还为时过早。

  《纽约时报》5日说,中国打算修复苏联遗留的“瓦良格”号航母,它最早将于明年部署。尽管乐观的估计认为,2020年前中国可能有多艘航母下水,但报道宣称,“美国不应过高估计北京的军事力量,因为中国还没有证明它能在战争中熟练使用不同的武器系统”。报道认为,中国缺乏使用现代海上力量的经验:“你曾见过中国部署大规模现代海军力量吗?没有。看到过解放军举行大型、联合、复杂的联合演习吗?没有。他们拥有任何现代作战经验么?没有。”报道还说,即使未来中国修复“非常老旧”的俄制航母,并开始建造国产航母,中国对舰载机在航母上起降的了解仍非常有限,而运作这种大型海上战斗群的经验更为缺乏。

  有不愿透露姓名的中国专家认为,西方对他国军事实力给予这种两极化的评价标准由来已久。冷战时西方在担忧苏联强大装甲集团的同时,又习惯地讽刺苏联装备是“傻大粗笨”。如今他们又将同样的评价投向中国军队。而当越来越多的证据表明中国的国防科技在不断取得突破的时候,这种质疑开始转移到对中国军人驾御武器的能力上。但实际上任何一支军队在武器装备更新换代时,都会有一个适应过程,各国军队武器装备跨代发展的过程中都曾遭遇过不同程度的冲击。随着中国整个社会工业化、信息化进程的不断加快,中国军人对新型武器装备的适应过程也在不断加速,中国军人驾驭武器装备的能力,将会与武器装备更新的速度保持同步,中国军队操作现代化武器的能力不应该被低估。但中国军事专家李大光6日强调,中国即便具备先进装备,也不会主动挑衅,外界不需要因为解放军装备水平的提高而担忧。 (来源:环球时报) 更多精彩 请点击环球网
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 楼主| meteorobs 发表于 2011-1-9 18:23 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–天津–天津 电信
军情观察室

http://bugu.cntv.cn/news/mil/jqg ... 110106/100041.shtml

本期节目主要内容:1、日:扩海上警权可开枪撞船 环钓鱼岛16机场备用;2、中国防长:忘战必危 增新装备部队 战力提升快;3、美:中国短程导弹七个旅 西安基地试新核弹;4、日本炒作中国南海作战计划 空空导弹南海首射;5、朝鲜:欲计划袭黄海五岛 特种兵换韩式迷彩;6、歼20隐形机主动曝光示强 部分性能优于F-22;7、美首次售台攻击型战术导弹 可精确攻福建广东;8、美售台导弹 射程覆盖大陆港口机场;9、美司令:东风21反舰导弹具战力 美航母戒备;10、美国夸大东风21威胁 阴谋袭中国。(《军情观察室 》 2011-01-05)
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 楼主| meteorobs 发表于 2011-1-9 18:29 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–天津–天津 电信
发信人: huhuhuhu (想念式), 信区: MilitaryTech
标  题: 黑白菊花对比图
发信站: 水木社区 (Fri Jan  7 22:08:25 2011), 站内

看来真的有两个2001

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 楼主| meteorobs 发表于 2011-1-9 18:30 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–天津–天津 电信
军委副主席习近平现身成都 视察歼20战机试飞

from 明报

   疑似中国最新隐形战机「歼20」再度现身成都。有现场目击者声称,中央军委副主
席习近平昨在多名军方高层陪同下,亲自到场视察,还进入机舱参观,唯因天气原因,
歼20并无真正试飞。《华尔街日报》昨引述专家称,「疑似歼20」在美国防长盖茨明天
访华前曝光,绝非意外。

  由于最近盛传疑似「歼20」隐形战机会在昨日试飞,300多名军事和航空爱好者,
昨赶到中航工业成都飞机工业有限公司(简称「成飞」)的机场,爬到附近的树上、建
筑物上守候。现场不少网民更在新浪微博、Twitter或是内地军事论坛上「直播」,期
待一睹新战机真容。因内地不少讨论区禁止发布歼20消息,网民纷纷以「黑丝带」(丝
带谐音「四代」,即第四代战机,机身是黑色)「丝带收费」(谐音首飞)发文。

  昨日上午9时,有网民「侦察兵」透露在成飞机场见到工作人员搭观礼台,对正飞
行准备室,地上有红地毡,有礼仪小姐到场,拉起「热烈欢迎各位领导莅临」横额。至
10时,一架疑似歼20 战机由牵引车拖出,附近有持枪武警守卫,有官方摄影师在较近
处拍摄;10时许,疑似歼20启动引擎,其巨响令围观者欢呼,但最后它只是在跑道来回
滑行数次。

  至下午3时左右,多名网民不约而同在网上发信息称,目击全国人大委员长吴邦
国、国家副主席及中央军委副主席习近平、空军司令许其亮搭专机到场,他们在与飞行
员合影、发表简短讲话后,进入机舱视察,之后又搭专机离去。消息称,由于昨日成都
能见度较差,因此取消试飞。

  美日韩传媒近日都十分关注中国疑似歼20亮相的信息,《纽约时报》称中国选择此
时「泄露」歼20的消息,既是给即将到访的美国防长盖茨「见面礼」,也是为展示中国
军事实力,但《人民日报》属下《环球时报》昨发表社论,指美国传媒对中国新战机
「大呼小叫」,是因为「美国对华心理跟不上中国的变化速度」。社评称,中国最终将
拥有足够与美国竞争的强大军事能力。可是美国似乎未准备把中国当作主要大国对待。
《华尔街日报》引述专家称,这次「疑似歼20曝光」肯定不是意外,有专家认为这是中
方想在美国防长盖茨访问前,展示中国军力发展远快于美方想像,也有专家估计可能跟
印度伙俄国发展隐形战机有关。

  中国外交部昨宣布,国家主席胡锦涛将于本月18至21日访问美国。美国防长盖茨将
于明日起访华4天,《华盛顿邮报》报道,盖茨访华前表示希望此行「更有建设性、更
开放」,并称美国会留意中国军力增长,但仍不会称中国是「对手」。美国助理国防部
长希弗则说,美方希望今后两军关系符合「互敬、互信、互惠、互利、持续对话及互相
降低风险」6项原则。
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The Strategic Impact of China's J-XX [J-20]
Stealth Fighter
Air Power Australia - Australia's Independent Defence Think Tank

Air Power Australia NOTAM
   9th January, 2011

Dr Carlo Kopp, SMAIAA, SMIEEE, PEng,
Head of Capability Analysis, Air Power Australia

Contacts:     Carlo Kopp     
    Peter Goon

    Mob: 0437-478-224     
    Mob: 0419-806-476



Elevated head on view of Chengdu prototype, December, 2010 (Chinese Internet).


    Chengdu J-XX [J-20] Stealth Fighter Prototype
A Preliminary Assessment
Technical Report APA-TR-2011-0101
   

The emergence of China's new J-XX [J-20] stealth fighter will have a profound strategic impact, for both the United States and its numerous Pacific Rim allies. There can be no doubt that it is proof positive of the absolute and complete failure of the current OSD driven plan for recapitalisation of the United States tactical fighter fleet, and the fleets of its allies. Like the Russian T-50 PAK-FA, the J-XX [J-20] is a “game changer” in the sense that the large scale deployment of operational production examples of these aircraft invalidates all of the key assumptions central to United States and allied air power and force structure planning and development, since the early 1990si.

Whether the J-XX [J-20] is a proof of concept demonstrator, or a prototype for a volume production combat type, what the design demonstrates is that Chinese engineers have mastered advanced stealth shaping techniques. The design displays repeated application of United States developed shaping design rules used previously in the F-22 Raptor design, and in some portions of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter design. An observer unfamiliar with the background of the J-XX [J-20] could be forgiven for mistaking the type for a Lockheed-Martin developed productii.

The accuracy with which the Chengdu engineers replicated key shaping features could be explained by their reverse engineering the design rules from high resolution imagery of US aircraft. However, it also begs some very good questions as to whether this engineering was directly or indirectly aided by less overt means. Exploitation of engineering data acquired by the alleged penetration of United States contractor computer networks would provide equally good or better technical resultsiii.

Airframe shaping is absolutely critical in stealth design, and determines the bounds on the achievable Radar Cross Section performance of any design. If shaping is done poorly, the aft and lower fuselage design of the F-35 being a cardinal example, no amount of radar absorbent material or coating compatible with the weight and volume needs of fighter design will overcome the resulting performance problems. Conversely, if shaping is done right, the cardinal example being the B-2A Spirit, then progressive upgrades of the radar absorbent materials and/or coatings over the life of the design can be used to further improve its stealthiv.

By cleverly exploiting contemporary United States developed stealth fighter shaping design rules, Chengdu engineers were able to rapidly get an excellent basic shaping design with a minimum of risk and cost, and significant long term stealth performance growth potential, as Chinese absorbent material and coating, frequency selective radome, low signature antenna and engine nozzle technology mature over time. A derivative of the J-XX [J-20] built in 2025 would thus have a much lower radar signature than a 2015 build of the same airframe.

The Capability Potential of the J-XX [J-20] Stealth Fighter

While the introduction of robust stealth shaping is an unprecedented design feature for an indigenous Chinese fighter, another first is an airframe evidently designed for efficient supersonic cruise at high altitudes – the delta-canard configuration is not unlike that adopted by the Russians in the cancelled supercruising MiG MFI design. Supersonic cruise not only kinematically defeats most legacy fighters and Surface to Air Missiles, but confers additional launch range to Air-Air Missiles and smart bombs, provides an energy advantage when merging into close combat, and in a larger design like the J-XX [J-20], yields important productivity gains due to the ability to supercruise to and from targets. The latter can in many circumstances double the effective sortie rate of a bombervvi.

In terms of gross sizing the J-XX [J-20] most closely resembles the smaller configurations proposed for the FB-22A “theatre bomber”, which was to be a dedicated bomber and ISR airframe, intended to supercruise to targets at combat radii in excess of 1,000 nautical miles, a niche occupied by the TAC/SAC GD F/FB-111 family of aircraft during the Cold War. Claims that the Chengdu design is a “Sino-F-22A” make little sense, if the latter were true the aircraft would be considerably smaller. Unlike the FB-22 proposals, the J-XX [J-20] is clearly intended for air combat and using a canard-delta configuration will provide both efficient supersonic cruise, and good supersonic and transonic manoeuvre performance if fitted with engines of sufficient thrust ratingvii.

In technological strategy terms the combination of stealth and supercruise yields high lethality and survivability, supercruise yields high per-sortie productivity, and the sizing and thus combat radius of the airframe provide a basic design with the flexibility to be used effectively across the spectrum of roles covered by the Cold War design F/FB-111 and proposed FB-22 families of aircraft. The canard-delta airframe configuration if fully exploited yields sufficient agility to serve effectively in the spectrum of roles covered by the F-15C and F-22A.

This design therefore provides the PLA-AF with an airframe which could be employed, subject to suitable avionic and weapons fit, across a range of strategically important roles:

    * Long Range / Persistent Interceptor: in this role the J-XX [J-20] would be employed to deny access to the airspace within the footprint of the Second Island Chain, attacking opposing strike aircraft and their fighter escorts;
    * Long Range Air Combat and Escort Fighter: in this role the J-XX [J-20] would be employed offensively, to punch holes through opposing air defences by engaging and destroying defending fighter Combat Air Patrols, AWACS/AEW&C aircraft, and supporting aerial refuelling tankers;
    * Theatre Strike Fighter: in this role the J-XX [J-20] would attack surface targets, in the manner performed by the F/FB-111, F-15E and proposed FB-22, using guided conventional munitions or free fall nuclear bombs; the size of the aircraft would permit weapon bays large enough to carry 3,000 lb or larger bombs;
    * Long Range Theatre Reconnaissance Aircraft: in this role the J-XX [J-20] would be employed to collect radar, imagery and electronic intelligence, emulating aircraft such as the RF-111C/D, the RA-5C, and F-14/TARPS but with the advantage of stealth absent in legacy theatre reconnaissance types;
    * Electronic Attack Platform: in this role the J-XX [J-20] would be employed to suppress opposing radar and communications, using weapon bay carried support jamming equipment, in the manner of the EF-111A Raven;
    * Anti-Satellite Weapon Launch Platform: in this role the J-XX [J-20] would be employed to lift and loft an ASAT missile against an LEO SV, in the manner the US Air Force employed the F-15A and the Vought ASM-135A ASAT during the mid 1980s.

The airframe self-evidently has the potential to be used in each of these niches, albeit with some niches occupied by specialised variants or subtypes. A single multirole variant could be employed across the first three roles without difficulty. The aircraft's size makes it a natural candidate for “lateral evolution” into other rolesviii.



In terms of sizing, combat radius and exceptional survivability, the J-XX [J-20] occupies the same niche as the GD F/FB-111 family of aircraft did, presenting potential for evolution across a wide range of roles. Depicted FB-111A nuclear strategic bomber, EF-111A electronic attack aircraft and F-111B long range interceptor (US DoD images).





To what extent the PLA-AF and PLA-N air arm opt to exploit the potential of this design, or a derivative design, remains to be seen. Prudent strategic analysis however cannot rely on the notion that the PLA-AF and PLA-N air arm will not make full use of a potential capability the development of which has consumed without doubt considerable national treasure.


(US DoD)



The F-111/FB-22 sized J-XX [J-20] is clearly built to deny access to the Second Island Chain region (Chinese Internet).

Above, below: Histograms of distances between PLA-AF and PLA-N fixed basing along the eastern seaboard of mainland China and US airfields at Kadena AFB on Okinawa and Andersen AFB on Guam. The J-XX/J-20 is well sized to hold both of these bases at risk (Kopp, 2005).




The PLA-AF fighter base at Feidong in the Nanjing MR [Click for more ...] is a good example of the design of a “superhardened” fighter base. The primary runway, available for takeoffs and landings, has a wide full length parallel taxiway to enable recoveries in the event of damage. An auxiliary take-off only alert runway is directly connected to the underground hangar entrance, allowing the fighter to roll out of the tunnel, line up, open the throttles and take off quickly. The PLA invested considerable thought into planning its network of 'superhardened' fighter bases, usually placing the runways behind a hill or mountain, relative to the threat axis.

The Strategic Impact of the J-XX [J-20] Stealth Fighter

At this time there is no air defence system in Asia, including the organic capabilities of the US Navy CVBGs, which can reliably stop a mature long range supercruising stealth fighter, be it an F-22A Raptor, or a mature production export T-50 PAK-FA, or J-XX [J-20].

Western built Integrated Air Defence Systems (IADS) rely primarily on S-band, and to a lesser extent, L-band and UHF-band acquisition radars for land based, and shipboard use.

Airborne Early Warning capabilities are similarly constrained, the E-3/E-767/APY-2 AWACS (US Air Force, Japan) operating in the S-band, the E-737 Wedgetail/MESA (South Korea, Australia) and G.550 CAEW / EL/M-2075 (Singapore) the L-band, and the E-2C/APS-145 (US Navy, Japan, Singapore) and E-2D/APY-9 (US Navy) in the UHF-band.

While the L-band MESA and EL/M-2075, and UHF-band APY-9 will have significantly better detection performance against a J-XX [J-20] compared to an S-band radar such as the APY-2 or SPY-1 Aegis, it will be very much lower than that achievable against a non-stealthy conventional aerial targetix.

As a result of the introduction of robust stealth capability, the coverage footprint of United States and allied IADS in the WestPac will be severely reduced, no differently than that of the Warsaw Pact IADS when confronted by the F-117A Nighthawk from 1985 onward. The result of this will be large holes in IADS coverage, or to use the colourful late Cold War description, “the gaps between fence pickets become very wide”.

Engagement radars employed for Surface-Air Missile defences, such as the Patriot MPQ-53/65 and Aegis SPG-62, and most fighter multimode radars operate in the C/X-band, and some in the Ku-band. Semiactive and TVM missile seekers mostly operate in the native C/X-band of the fire control system, while active radar seekers mostly operate in the Ku-band or above. The effectiveness of all of these systems will be severely impaired when confronting a mature variant of the J-XX [J-20]. Intercepting the Chengdu fighter is apt to present the very same challenges confronted in intercepts flown against the F-22A Raptor, both in terms of acquisition by radar, guidance of missiles and kinematic intercept by aircraft or missile.

In the Western world, most intellectual and development effort in air defence radar and missiles since 1991 has been concentrated into two discrete areas, specifically to provide TMD (Theatre Ballistic Missile Defence) capabilities at the upper end, and C-RAM (Counter Rocket Artillery Mortar) capabilities at the lower end. Capabilities to intercept and destroy high performance low observable aircraft and guided munitions have received little if any attention.

Conversely, Russia has since 1991 invested most of its intellectual and material effort in air defence radar and missile development into two very different areas. At the upper tier, counter-stealth radars exploiting VHF-band technology have been developed and some exported, while at the lower end, the focus has been firmly on providing C-PGM (Counter-PGM) capabilities to defeat Western smart munitions. China has followed the Russian lead in IADS capability development, with indigenous and imported Russian technologyx.

In strategic terms, at the most basic level, a mature production J-XX [J-20] effectively obsoletes nearly all of the IADS infrastructure and systems, air defence fighter fleets and weapons inventories deployed and operated by the United States and its Pacific Rim allies, in a fashion no different to the immediate obsolescence inflicted by the F-117A / B-2A / F-22A upon globally deployed Soviet era IADS, fighters and systems.

In any conflict involving China, a well sized fleet of mature production J-XX [J-20] would have significant freedom of action to attack and destroy aerial and surface targets throughout the geography of the Second Island Chain. Pre-emptive strikes such as those flown in previous conflicts by US Air Force B-2A and F-117A stealth aircraft, intended to cripple and thus paralyse IADS and C3I systems, would present a genuine and very serious risk in any standoff or escalated contingency.

Moreover, with a robust payload of satellite/inertial guided bombs, a multirole or strike derivative production J-XX [J-20] would have significant capability to shut down United States and allied airfields across the Second Island Chain, in a manner no different to that envisaged by the US Air Force as a prime role for the GBU-39/53 Small Diameter Bomb armed F-22A Raptor – and proposed FB-22. No differently, US Navy CVBGs are at significant risk, adding to the risks posed by the DF-21D ASBMxi.

Unlike ballistic missile terminal stages which present terminal guidance challenges in accuracy, and warhead mass limitations, guided bombs delivered by aircraft can be extremely precise and have large warheads, with significant capability to penetrate reinforced concrete, or warship hulls, and high explosive filler payloads of up to many hundreds of kilogramsxii.

As the PLA-AF and PLA-N have access to over 200 airfields, most semi-hardened, some well hardened, and a few super-hardened and deep underground, dispersal and continuous relocation of a J-XX [J-20] fleet is a feasible deployment strategy, and one which presents genuine difficulties in countering with pre-emptive air or cruise missile strikesxiii.

The supersonic cruise capability and large fuel capacity of the J-XX [J-20] would permit it to be based deeper inside China's territory, compared to older types, further complicating efforts to close down or destroy airfields from which the J-XX [J-20] may be operating, as significant penetration into China's increasingly dense and sophisticated IADS would be required to hit such sites. As the J-XX [J-20] will have close to twice the productivity, in sortie rates achievable compared to conventional non-supercruise types, basing the aircraft deeper inside the IADS would not impair productivity in the manner it would for subsonic cruising types.

In terms of China's ability to manufacture and deploy significant numbers of the J-XX [J-20] it is worth observing that in terms of raw “bang for buck” China's defence industry is outperforming the United States' industry by a robust margin. The oft quoted comparisons between the United States and PRC defence budgets produce a misleading picture of the relative scale of investments, especially in terms of equipment recapitalisation. Chinese aggregate defence budgets as cited reflect primarily capital equipment acquisition and support costs, while many infrastructure and personnel costs are born by regional governments. United States budgets tend to carry a significant fraction of operational costs which have been unusually high over the last decade due to the ongoing global conflict with Islamo-fascist insurgent movements.

The woeful inefficiency of many portions of the United States defence industry, and procurement bureaucracy, is best exemplified by the fact that the underperforming single engine F-35 is now more expensive than the larger and much better twin engine F-22 Raptor, in terms of Unit Procurement Costs. Many other United States programs display similar symptoms, with overpriced and frequently underperforming products. China has a much healthier manufacturing industry than the United States, and a larger pool of highly skilled personnel, in a job market where personnel costs are tightly controlled. China's ability to rapidly develop both the sophisticated J-XX [J-20] and complex KJ-2000 AWACS over the last decade, with little prior depth in the basic technologies involved, shows an efficient and effective R&D environment, and supporting manufacturing base.

The Chengdu J-XX [J-20] thus represents a techno-strategic coup by China, and if deployed in large numbers in a mature configuration, a genuine strategic coup against the United States and its Pacific Rim allies. The development of the Chengdu J-XX [J-20] represents an excellent case study of a well thought out “symmetrical techno-strategic response” to the United States' deployment of stealthy combat aircraft, which no differently to the United States' play in the late Cold War and post Cold War period, elicits a disproportionate response in materiel investment to effectively counter.

The only US design with the kinematic performance, stealth performance and sensor capability to be able to confront the J-20 [J-XX] with viable combat lethality and survivability is the F-22A Raptor, or rather, evolved and enhanced variants of the existing configuration of this aircraft.

The US Navy F/A-18E/F Super Hornet is outclassed in every respect, and would be as ineffective against a mature J-XX [J-20] as it is against the F-22A Raptor.

All variants of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter would be equally so outclassed, assuming this failed project even progresses to any kind of actual production.

All US Air Force, US Navy and allied legacy fighters are outclassed in much the same manner, and are ineffective kinematically and in sensor capability against this class of threat system.

The extant IADS technology base of the US Army and Navy and their sister services in Pacific Rim allied nations will be largely ineffective, requiring the replacement of most if not all acquisition radars with VHF-band AESA technology replacements designed to defeat S/X/Ku-band stealth capabilities.

From the perspectives of both technological strategy and military grand strategy, the J-XX [J-20] is the final nail in the coffin of the utterly failed “Gates recapitalisation plan” for United States and allied tactical fighter fleets. Apologists for the “Gates fighter recapitalisation plan” will no doubt concoct a plethora of reasons as to why the J-XX [J-20] should be ignored, as they did exactly one year ago when the Russians unveiled the T-50 PAK-FA stealth fighter.

The material reality is simple. If the United States does not reverse course in its tactical air fleet and air defence recapitalisation planning, the United States will lose the Pacific Rim to China, with all of the practical and grand strategic consequences which follow from that.


    Chengdu J-XX [J-20] Stealth Fighter Prototype
A Preliminary Assessment
Technical Report APA-TR-2011-0101
   
Funding APA [Click for more ...]



Chengdu J-20 stealth fighter. This design outperforms the F/A-18E/F , F-35 JSF  and US legacy fighters in every important respect (Chinese Internet).

Notes:

i Kopp C. and Goon P.A., Assessing the Sukhoi PAK-FA; Sukhoi/KnAAPO T-50/I-21/Article 701 PAK-FA; Перспективный Авиационный Комплекс Фронтовой Авиации, APA Analyses APA-2010-1, Vol. VII APA-2010-01, Feb 2010, URI: http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-2010-01.html.
ii Kopp C. and Goon P.A., Chengdu J-XX [J-20] Stealth Fighter Prototype; A Preliminary Assessment, Technical Report APA-TR-2011-0101, January 2011, URI: http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-J-XX-Prototype.html.
iii Gorman S., et al, Computer Spies Breach Fighter-Jet Project, Wall Street Journal, 21st April, 2009, URI: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124027491029837401.html.
iv Kopp C., Assessing Joint Strike Fighter Defence Penetration Capabilities, Air Power Australia Analysis 2009-01, 7th January 2009, URI: http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-2009-01.html and B-2 Variants, GlobalSecurity.org, URI: http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/systems/b-2-variants.htm.
v Kopp C., MiG's I.42/44 MFI - A First Look, Australian Aviation, March, 1998, URI: http://www.ausairpower.net/Analysis-MiG-MFI.html.
vi Stillion J., Orletsky D.T., Airbase Vulnerability to Conventional Cruise-Missile and Ballistic-Missile Attacks; Technology, Scenarios, and U.S. Air Force Responses, Monograph MR-1028, Project Air Force, RAND Corporation, URI: http://www.rand.org/pubs/monograph_reports/MR1028.html.
vii Bolkcom C., Air Force FB-22 Bomber Concept, RS21848, March 21, 2005, Congressional Research Service, URI: http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/weapons/RS21848.pdf.
viii Kopp C., Assessing the Impact of Exponential Growth Laws on Future Combat Aircraft Design, Air Power Australia Analysis 2010-04, 31st December 2010, URI: http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-2010-04.html
ix AN/APY-9 Radar; Transformational technology for an evolving mission, Lockheed-Martin technical brochure, AN/APY-9 121009, 2009: URI: http://www.lockheedmartin.com/data/assets/ms2/pdf/APY9-1209.pdf.
x Kopp C., Evolving Technological Strategy in Advanced Air Defense Systems, Joint Forces Quarterly, Issue 57, 2nd Quarter, April 2010, URI: http://www.ndu.edu/press/jfq_pages/editions/i57/kopp.pdf; also Kopp C., NNIIRT 1L119 Nebo SVU / RLM-M Nebo M; Assessing Russia's First Mobile VHF AESAs, Technical Report APA-TR-2008-0402, April, 2008, URI: http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Nebo-SVU-Analysis.html.
xi Kopp C., Maritime Strike Using The F-22A Raptor, Technical Report APA-TR-2007-0401, April, 2007, URI:http://www.ausairpower.net/Raptor-ASuW.html.
xii Kopp C., Hardening RAAF Air Base Infrastructure, Air Power Australia Analysis 2008-02, Vol. V APA-2008-02, 5th February, 2008, URI: http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-2008-02.html.
xiii Kopp C., People's Liberation Army Air Force and Naval Air Arm Air Base Infrastructure, Technical Report APA-TR-2007-0103, 30th January 2007, URI: http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-PLA-AFBs.html.

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 楼主| meteorobs 发表于 2011-1-9 18:35 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–天津–天津 电信
美国军事专家谈J-20:美国战机已落后,J-20是令人畏惧的武器系统

英文原文:
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/01/07/chinas-new-fighter-jet-
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美国著名的FOX新闻网(地位类似中国的CCTV):美国战机已落后,J-20是令人畏惧的
武器系统

简要翻译:

尽管美国国防部试图平息人们对于中国J-20隐形战斗机的担忧,但是FOX新闻网日前采
访军武专家,对国防部的声明表示质疑。

美国前海军航空兵资深飞官,TOP-GUN(电影《壮志凌云》里那学校)毕业生,参加过
44次海湾战争空袭行动的Buckley(目前担任FOX军备战略研究方面资深顾问)表示:
J-20的设计可以看出,其非常注重战斗机的隐形能力,而且其的气动布局表明其的机动
性将非常好。

一种高度隐形同时又在机动性上比我们的任何飞机都优越的飞机,在航电也不比我们落
后很多的情况下,对美军空中优势将会是空前的挑战,这种想法让我夜不能眠。

Buckley同时表示,J-20的亮相,表明中国想要的是最好的战斗机,而我们的F-35,
由于多用途设计的取舍,属于万斤油,干什么都行,但干什么都不精,我不认为F-35可
以和J-20抗衡,甚至即便是F-22,也不能和J-20相比,我们在航空技术上,战后以来
第一次处于追赶的地位。

美国军武专家RICHARD FISHER接受FOX新闻采访时表示,J-20是一种采用了非常先进
的隐形技术和设计的战斗机,同时它将具备优越的机动性能,J-20战斗机的出现,表明
美国空中优势面临空前的挑战, F-35显然不是J-20对手,我们需要的是技术上大幅度
升级的F-22来对抗J-20的挑战。
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 楼主| meteorobs 发表于 2011-1-9 18:40 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–天津–天津 电信
发信人: l00l0l (Hexie苟活,沽价爱国), 信区: MilitaryPic
标  题: 黑丝被众wsn咸湿手摸鸡头抚菊花
发信站: 水木社区 (Sat Jan  8 01:34:59 2011), 站内

毒剂,俺也想摸

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 楼主| meteorobs 发表于 2011-1-9 18:43 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–天津–天津 电信
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发信人: imaloser (码农), 信区: MilitaryTech
标  题: 看着好像开放参观啊.....
发信站: 水木社区 (Sat Jan  8 19:43:24 2011), 站内

  很难理解这是没飞过的场景....... J10 J20看着很Hexie 新老交替要来了. 

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 楼主| meteorobs 发表于 2011-1-9 18:59 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–天津–天津 电信
发信人: hanyu007 (寒羽), 信区: MilitaryPic
标  题: 合成图
发信站: 水木社区 (Sun Jan  9 00:26:45 2011), 站内

合成的  分辨率比较大11071*1422



                               
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 楼主| meteorobs 发表于 2011-1-9 19:01 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国–天津–天津 电信
发信人: waterings (日夜兼程), 信区: MilitaryTech
标  题: J20上午滑跑的高清视频
发信站: 水木社区 (Sun Jan  9 17:59:16 2011), 站内


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